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Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:10 am

Hi Guys and Girls,

I'm thinking of investing in an Nikon 80-400VR, but the 50-500 Bigma also looks interesting. Price is not an issue, I just want to select the best lens that give the best vlaue for money.

Any users who can "guide" me in the right direction...pros, cons etc! Big grin

Or is there another config I should be looking at, converters etc??? I'm a D70 user.

Many thanks in advance.

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting AndyHunt (Thread starter):
I'm a D70 user.

You poor poor person!  Wink
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:14 am

Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR

Crap.

Slow, noisy, soft, and a general embarrassment when compared to the Canon 100-400.

If you are looking at Sigma, why not the 80-400 OS?
 
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:17 am

You probably had a dodgy example of the 80-400. Its equal to the 100-400 in that it needs to be shot @ f8 or more. The stuff Ive seen from the 100-400 doesnt look better than anything i got from my 80-400 when I had it.

I now use the 70-200 tho and thats a whole different beast ;o) If money is no object at all then maybe consider 200-400 VR?
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 7:56 am

If money is no object go for the 200-400 VR.
http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=5&productNr=2146

I am just waiting on my 2x converter to arrive and will combine it with the 70-200mm f/2.8G ED-IF VR to give the extra reach and it will still have an effective aperture of f/5.6 wide open. I have some in the database with a borrowed 2x converter and they are okay.


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I haven't ruled out the 80-400 as it is a bit lighter and smaller and maybe Nikon will replace it by the time I am ready for it.
Maybe one day a second hand 200-400 VR would be nice.  Smile

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 1):
Quoting AndyHunt (Thread starter):
I'm a D70 user.

You poor poor person!

Oi!!!

A friend of mine has an 80-400 VR and he says that, although the AF is crap, the results are superb. I'd like one, except I don't have £1100...
 
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 1:48 pm

While there were some comments regarding the AF of the 80-400, do remember that it is not an AF-S lens, meaning that it has to be driven by the focusing motor in the SLR body itself. The higher-end the SLR body is, the stronger is the AF motor and AF system. I won't be surprised if folks have trouble getting quick focusing on the lower-end bodies, but my 80-400 has rarely missed a beat on the F5.

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Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:54 pm

i use the D70 with the 80-400VR. simply love it! problem is i don't get to use it lately... got to work on that...
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:04 pm

I have both the 70-200 and the 80-400.

Without a doubt, the 70-200 is one of the best lenses out there. I had a Sigma 170-500, but traded it in for the 80-400. I think the optics are fine (I always shoot at least f8), the VR is not as good as the 70-200 (think V1 vs. V2) and the AF is slowish - I have missed a couple of shots because of that. I haven't used the 80-400 as much as the 70-200, but I'm pretty happy with it when I need the extra length (ooh, Matron!)
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:40 pm

Andy,
I use 80-400 VR all the time. The lens is sharp and VR works very well, I agree with click happy with regard to slow focus speed but crap it is not.

I couple my 80-400VR to an S2 which is renowned for slow focusing speed but I miss very little. D70 CAM900 (I think) autofocus is faster than S2 some 30% I imagine you use the lens just as I do! A focus limit helps hunting speed. I once compared 50-500 bigma on a 10D with speed of 80-400VR on S2 and end to end speed seemed similar.

I read in the photography forums that 80-400VR will soon be updated to have AF-S - there is a blinding lens if it happens!

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:58 pm

Andy

The 80-400 VR is my primary lens and I use it a majority of the time even when I could use a lesser lens. As many have said I find shooting at F8 to be excellent and I don't have any problems with its focusing speed on the D100.

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:19 pm

Hey Art!  wave 

Good to see you in this forum! I am saving for that lens. It's costs some serious  dollarsign 

Hopefully I can buy it by X-Mas. I want to be on the top of the parking garage at LAS and get some of those money shots like you!
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:15 pm

Hi Guys,

Thanks for all of the tips. From reading everything, I'm starting to lean towards the 70-200 AF-S VR F2.8....with a 1.7 TC. Sounds sexy!

200-400 sounds nice, but that is a little beyond my price point!

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:03 am

Well, the 80-400VR is an excellent and small lens. I have been using it for about a year. It never let me down. I use it on a D100.

The slowish autofocus is not a point in aviation photography because you can limit the lens movement and all your subjects will be at about the same distance anyway. The main problem I have with the 80-400VR is sensor flare.

I also own the 80-200/F2.8 which is an excellent super fast lens but (of course) lacks the length of the 80-400.

You could also consider buying both the 80-400VR and the 80-200/F2.8 for less than the 70-200 plus the converter. Both the 80-400 and the 80-200 can also be bought easily second hand and are both always in demand, so you can ditch them for good money whenever you want to upgrade.

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:11 am

Quoting AndyHunt (Reply 12):
From reading everything, I'm starting to lean towards the 70-200 AF-S VR F2.8....with a 1.7 TC. Sounds sexy!

I have been using this combo for a few weeks now, it is really a superb lens and generally considered the best telezoom Nikon has ever produced so far. The 1.7 TC gives a bit sharper results than a 2.0 TC and maximum aperture is still 4.8.

Recently I tried the Nikor 300 2.8 VR on a D2X ~very impressive and an AF on steroids. Would love to try that 200-400 someday as well.

Still waiting for my D2X to be delivered  cry 

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:28 pm

Andy,

Take a look at the sigma 120-300F2.8EX. I have one and love it! It is so sharp and the AF is blisteringly quick too. Good build and it is an EX lens which makes it look lovely. Works very well with a 1.4x to get a 420mmF4 at the long end. It is a little heavy but you get F2.8 @300mm which is invaluable in low light!

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:44 am

Hi Andy,

Lets go for a round one day, I've got both lens with me at the moment, so let me know if you want to try them out.

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:00 am

I would say that people who praise the 80-400 VR just don't have much experience with other lenses.

I have one, it is currently rolling around the trunk of my car, I can't be bothered with it, its let me down too many times.

As for stopping it down to f8 or f11, all I can say is LOL. Come on! Any lens is going to be decent at those f-stops. the whole point of a VR system is for low-light hand held stuff. So unless you want to shoot at 1/50 @ f11...
 
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:25 am

If you thought a 1300$ zoom with a range of 80-400 would be as sharp as a prime or AF-S lens shot wide open then I'd say youre the one lacking experience. The 100-400 is useless at lower f-stops aswell so maybe your lens really is dodgy.
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:02 am

Nice one Chris  Confused

Show me where I state "80-400 would be as sharp as a prime or AF-S lens shot wide open"

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:09 am

Well you claim its crap compared to the 100-400 when obviously it's not. The only telezoom sharper on the canon and nikon side (that I know of) is the 70-200. So I dont know what you would be comparing it to otherwise. Shooting wide open like you want really can't be expected from a zoom like the 80-400, making your argument a moot point. The VR does an excellent job enabling you to shoot @ 400mm handheld imo. Us poor nikonians I get a "free" f-stop seeing as we cant shoot lower than ISO 200 aswell hehe.
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:45 am

well, we both get to have our opinions. I have been shooting with the 80-400 for 2.5 years now, I still dont like it. It is slow to focus, noisy, and "hunts" a lot...
 
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:53 am

This Nikon 'ISO200' issue; I don't quite understand it. Output from their DSLR's that I've seen seems absolutely fine. Is there any parity with the same speed found on Canon gear, or is Nikon's equivalent effectively the same quality as the best Canon can produce?


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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:00 pm

I went for the 80-200mm f/2.8D option plus the teleconv (which is a Tamron one - so don't try it).
70-200 VR + Nikon teleconv. is a good otion in my opinion.

I tried the 80-400 with my old F80. But I can't really comment on the quality as it was just 2 or 3 photos taken with it.

I'd also look at the 300 f/4 or f/2.8 lens.
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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:38 pm

Guys,

Thanks for all of the advice. Looks as though I'm going to go for the following:

70-200 AF-S VR F2.8
+
1.7 TC

:D Big grin Big grin

I figure that with this lens I get the following (1.5X Digital factor)

w/o TC : 105-300
with TC : 179-510

So overall I get a 105-510 lens, not a bad deal!

Once again, appreciate all of the help and advice, you're stars all of you!

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:13 pm

The search is over Big grin and I'm now the proud owner of a 70-200 AF-S VR F2.8 plus a TC-20E teleconvertor...fingers now crossed for a sunny morning tommorow!  hyper   hyper   hyper 

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:00 pm

Congrats Andrew, you will start to love that 70-200 very soon.

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RE: Thoughts On The Nikon 80-400VR And Other Lenses?

Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:12 am

Although Andrew has already made its choice, I'd like to express my opinion.

Optically the 80-400VR is equal (if not best) to the praised 100-400IS. But I love Canon USM implementation and its one touch zoom.

I tested the Sigma 50-500 for a weekend and I got a lot of vignetting at any aperture (those were slide times, so maybe OK for 1.5 cropped digital shots).

Sigma's 80-400 OS is not a solution as it also lacks AF-S (or HSM in Sigma's nomenclature).

Yes, the lack of AF-S makes the 80-400VR too slooow, specially with the cheapest Nikon bodies with CAM900 AF module (D70, D100). With my F100 (CAM1300) there was less hunting and faster AF and I hope that with the D2X (CAM2000) the thing almost gets solved.

Of course the 70-200VR + TC-17 combo will deliver better optical results and the 70-200VR + TC-20 similar ones, but what about using it in dusty environments? Bigest advantage of the 80-400 is its versatility.

Ideal solution: (D2X + 70-200VR) + (D2X + 200-400) if your budget can handle it  

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