cathay112
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Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:31 pm

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/23902/6/

And this screenshot taken just moments ago....

http://www.rwy34.com/craig/sc_1.JPG

I won't mention any names but suffice to say I don't think this site is so desperate for Los Angeles rotation shots that this photographers work deserves preferential treatment. This isn't a shot at the photographer because they can't screen their own work - except when using colleagues passwords! This is a criticism of the process and the fairness of the queue system - again.

Why is it that this continues to happen?

Any constructive and useful comments would be much appreciated.
 
CallMeCapt
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:10 pm

I don't think it's justified to pass judgement on screening methods and photo's that get accepted if one is not involved in the process. One persons opinion on the amount of certain photos in the anet DB does not necessarily reflect everyone elses opinion. Craig, I can see the point you are trying to make and am neither disputing or advocating it. I have personally sent an SMS to 1 of the screeners and emailed another to go to Kingsford Smith together and get some helpful advice but both times my messages have gone completely unanswered. So be it. Do they not want to share their advice? Maybe.
In this system of anet, you are bound by the rules and the, for want of a better word, politics of the administrator and his team. Maybe they get preferential treatment, maybe they don't. I can't make any conclusions as I only know them in a limited capacity through this website. I've compared some photos of mine to others on the database, including screeners' photos, and cannot see how mine get rejected but they're photos didn't. Hopefully, it's because they see something in the photo that I don't. You have photos on the database, some I have on my hard drive, but at least you have them on the database. I don't have any yet and it gets hard to believe it isn't personal. I had a bit of a whinge the other day and got it out of my system.
One thing I do know, if one tends to complain about the system, the complainer may be frowned upon.
enough of my rambling, I'm hungry.
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DLKAPA
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:04 pm

Oh man I thought we were beyond this...guess not.
And all at once the crowd begins to sing: Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same
 
pepef
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:07 pm

Nice total distinct views there Craig.

The queue stands at 10.000. It takes many days to screen a shot. If a couple of photos jump the queue, it will take many days plus 10 minutes. No big deal.

Out of the 12.000 photographers submitting photos, 10-20 are screeners. I wouldn't mind if all their photos were directly added/screened. As payment for the hours of free labour.

Before you all think I've gone completely soft in the head and will lose my "most unwelcome Number 1 whiner title" I do have a point to make about baddoubles:

I think a baddouble should be a photo that is very similar to another photo in the db, no matter who took it .

A photo should be screened on its own merit and not by who took it. After all, this is a photograph database, not a photographer database.


-pepef-

[Edited 2005-04-18 07:14:00]
 
ua777222
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:11 pm

To be honest,

I am a fair person. Hate to see others cheat, don't like for terms to be unfair, rules to be broken, etc. But hell you reach a point when you just get over it. I have noticed recently that the screening crew has done a great job to reduce the wait time for us "normal" photographers. Now we might not all bring amazing LAX Rampshots but I feel that I/We are being treated fairly. You can't be the "Queue Police" 24/7. Let what you can slide and don't ask questions. You'll only loose in the end. I have had 3 or so shots accepted into the DB today and there was no cutting. All along the same lines the other 1000 or so photographers have been following.

Now if an airline pilot pays $20 for the F seat you paid $2,500 for are you going to cut his neck for it? You have to remember that these guys put their time in to make our pictures what they are and keep a.net up the standard it has set for itself.

Hope that helps,

Matt
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N178UA
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:34 pm

Craig, sorry you did have a go at me everytime when you mention you intended not, as usual. I don't mind coz I did nothing wrong.

There is no cheat at all. I found out that all mine shots were screened last night because more than half of them have lot of dust spot and got rejected all as baddirty. The headscreener screened only the dirty ones and rejected them but did not add any of them. The rest of the non-dust spot affected pictures are still following the normal Q order, will be screened on the day when they should. No Q jumping whatsoever. I re-uploaded 5 cleaned picture after got them rejected, so those 5 showing unscreened in your screen dump.

I have thought about you will start another question thread about me, when I found out one of the headscreener screened all of mine last night all at once, only to reject the dusty ones because almost half of them were badly affected. Quite the opposite, the headscreeners are doing this to make sure no preferential treatment are given to me. They are making sure non of my "dirty" picture will be get on into the db , with dust spot showing. I can't afford to have any baddity pic get in anyway, because you will start another thread to compare and question about it!

I think one of the headscreener will comment here to solve this issue. I have DONE ABSOLUTLY nothing wrong here. Thanks for spending non necessary time worry about me.

Sam

[Edited 2005-04-18 07:47:03]
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N178UA
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:51 pm

Further to this, you now owe me a public appology. I DO NOT use my collague's passward to screen my photo. This is a very wrong accusation which you need be very careful to write this in the public forum. I have already explained that the last night screening were done by a headscreener that making sure all my dirty picture were removed.
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Stealthz
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:52 pm

I'm confused..

Craig, Is the screenshot you posted, your upload stat's or Sam's?

Sam, what you are saying here is that your shots get prescreened(thru no influence of your own as you say), that in itself is a slightly unfair state of affairs. The rest of us would not be looked on favourably if "many" of our uploads showed dustspots, although we would appreciate the chance to correct and reupload without waiting for the complete upload cycle.

Another point, we are continually encouraged to make sure our photos are of the highest possible standard that A.net requires yet one of this sites leading photographers, one that many look upto for inspiration, uploads "more than half" baddirty photos?.

Whichever way I try to look at it, I am afraid it looks like "preferential treatment"

Sam, quite frankly, with your talent, your commitment, your access.. you don't need it

Regards

Chris
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CallMeCapt
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:56 pm

Sam gets photos rejected?????
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PUnmuth@VIE
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:06 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 7):
Craig, Is the screenshot you posted, your upload stat's or Sam's?

Craig never posts his own upload stats only sam's until now.

And yes Sam is right. The headscreeners did exactly what he described above. So no case for the Q-police to act i am afraid.
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N178UA
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:07 pm

Chris

No, perhaps I can't explain it right. It was rather a complicated matter to explain.

I DID NOT ask any priority at all. They're all screened last night out of my own surprise, I found out most were rejected, I then ask one of the headscreener in email, he explained most of them are dirty and others past the screening will ONLY be screened on the day they should be, no Q jumping at all.

The reason the headscreener is doing this, is to make sure they don't get added by some other screener, 2 of mine recently slip through , I was told to re-upload them as they're dirty. If some more of mine slip through (screener sometimes overlooked) then I am sure someone will start another thread ask what's going on.

Sometimes I am in a situation you can't win.

And Goran, I got plenty of rejection.
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DLKAPA
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:13 pm

Ahh the life of Mr. Chui, a very controversial one indeed.

I too have had photos accepted only to not find the dust spot on them until well after the photo was already on a.net. No worries, I reuploaded. Missing dust spots is a very easy thing to do, and happens to everybody.
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Stealthz
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:18 pm

Sam,
I fully accept that you did not ask for preferential treatment, I also fully accept that the head screener that rejected your photos did it with the very best of intentions.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 9):
Craig never posts his own upload stats only sam's until now.

Maybe this is something for admin to look at, so many other things on this site require your password, now with Photographer registration required, looking at upload stats could be added to that list.

Quoting N178UA (Reply 10):
And Goran, I got plenty of rejection.

I wouldn't call this good news, I might say it can be encouraging for those of us that sometimes feel like we are not getting anywhere!!  Wink

Cheers all

Chris
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CallMeCapt
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:18 pm

Quoting N178UA (Reply 10):
And Goran, I got plenty of rejection.

Suddenly, I don't feel so bad.
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PUnmuth@VIE
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:32 pm

And yes some of the where added right now to the database because they showed up in HQ-Q.
No need to let them sit there with already 2 HQ markings.
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INTENSS
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:44 pm

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 1):
I don't think it's justified to pass judgement on screening methods and photo's that get accepted if one is not involved in the process.

I do, if the person in question is also uploading photos. After all, it's ALL of the photographers that make up this and other photo sites, not just the screeeners and their preferred photogs.

Quoting N178UA (Reply 5):
Quite the opposite, the headscreeners are doing this to make sure no preferential treatment are given to me. They are making sure non of my "dirty" picture will be get on into the db , with dust spot showing.

So you're admitting you would get preferential treatment if the "headsceener" didn't step in, thus allowing dust spot laiden photos into the database?

Interesting response.

-Rich
 
Granite
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:00 pm

Hi Everyone

I was the Head Screener who pulled all of Sam's images from the queue.

To direct add.......nope, not at all. Sam has been having a bit of a problem with dust spots. A few images had slipped through so when I came across some of Sam's stuff I decided to pull them all and check for dust. Sam was fully aware of this and had been discussed with him. Other Head Screeners were fully aware too.

For the record, quite a few of Sam's images were rejected for dust. The others were screened as per normal because they were on my screening page.

I even got a message from Sam asking me not to screen the rest of then but leave in the queue and reject the dirty ones. I could not do this.

Hope this puts an end to the saga and thanks Craig for keeping watch.

Regards

Gary
 
N178UA
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:05 pm

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 15):
So you're admitting you would get preferential treatment if the "headsceener" didn't step in, thus allowing dust spot laiden photos into the database?

No

2 photo were slipped in with few dustspot shown, I do everything to ensure photo are in good quality, clean and acceptable during upload. Sometimes screener overlooked at the pic, this happens many times, not only to me.

See DKLAPA's reply:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 11):
I too have had photos accepted only to not find the dust spot on them until well after the photo was already on a.net. No worries, I reuploaded. Missing dust spots is a very easy thing to do, and happens to everybody.

No preferential treatment happened to me, anytime. If you like to know, I believe because a few person are always keen to watch my back, all screeners are here to make sure that I don't get preferential treatment, to stop sending any wrong messages across.

Personally, I would appreciate someone to email me, or the screeners, what's going on if they spot anything irregular, before making a public post without knowing the truth and accusing someone or the screener is giving me preferential treatment. You're doing something very irresponsible here.

Sam
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Erwin972
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:23 pm

Ok, now that it is sorted etcetera, can someone plz lock this threat?

Everybody seems to follow Sam with a magnifying glass, and I think no more useless discussions, questions and accusations are necessary here...


Kind regards,
Erwin
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Liskatze
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RE: Allow Me To Remind You All......

Mon Apr 18, 2005 4:39 pm

I can't understand this whole discussion! Where is the problem? It should be the usual way to prefer screener's shots.

Screener spend hours and hours here to look at our and also their shots - without any payment. Where is the problem, when a few screener's shots are treated in a special way?

The real problem in this discussion are a few persons beeing green with envy. It's real bad style to use other persons email adress and check their photo-stats and add it here.

Sam and the other screeners, keep on working for the whole page the way you do, and keep on adding interesting pics - like many of especially Sam's are - with preference!

Anne

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