wilco737
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I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 3:59 pm

Hello everybody,

I bought a new camera and lense about 4 weeks ago, I bought the Canon EOS 300D, I think most of you know this camera! I am using a lense 28-300mm and I took some good shots with my friends etc etc.

But what I cant do: taking good pictures of aircrafts  banghead 

Most of them are kind of unsharp! There it doesn't matter if the aircraft is running down the runway fast or standing still on the parking stand or so! They just turn out kind of unsharp!

Here an example:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/WILCO737/IMG_2359.jpg

Settings: f5.6; 1/2000 exposure time; ISO200; and it was a nice bright and sunny day...

I took several pics of it and they all turned out kind of unsharp.

And here another picture! It turned out pretty grainy and blurry and dark, but I used pretty much the same settings: f6.3; 1/1600 exposure time and ISO200 at the same light conditions...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/WILCO737/IMG_2455.jpg

Maybe you guys can help me because most of you take REALLY great pictures and I want take such pics, too!

So, I appreciate every answer...

On http://www.wilco737.de you can see some more pics I took, and they are edited and sharpened. What do you think of them? What can I do to make them better?  listen 

Thank you very much to everyone!

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fergulmcc
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 4:14 pm

Wilco

Are you processing them through photoshop. All digital images are soft, the degree of softness depends on you wallet, i.e. What lenses you can afford. You should still be able to get good photos with the lens that you have but maybe stick to the days with good light.
All photos need to be processed in photoshop and if you want you can send me an e-mail and I will forward you on my workflow on how I process my shots.
With the first photo try to avoid the fence getting in the way, get a small step ladder to get above the fence.

Take care

Fergul Big grin
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 4:24 pm

At what focal distance were done those? if you zoom in too much, your have to use less aperture (of course, I'm not talking about those pretty L-IS whatever lenses, I can't afford Big grin ).

For example, a photo done at 250mm. (and in a sunny day) will be better to use f9 and a slower shutter, this way, photos will come sharper.

Aperture priority (Av) works fine for me!

Regards!
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wilco737
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 4:24 pm

hi Fergulmcc,

this day in FRA was a nice and sunny day! No cloud in the sky! and the sun in the back! So it should be perfect! but it wasnt...

Well, the lens wasnt the cheapest, but also not the most expensive and I took good shots with it...

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...et+Database&album_creator=WILCO737

Those are my shots in the Database, the 330 and the TG744 are taken with the Canon and the other with my old camera!

About the fence I know... those pics werent edited and I usually dont have the fence on it  Wink

Thanks so far for your help!

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wilco737
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 4:25 pm

hi Mighluss,

yeah I will try that....

Thanks

WILCO737

  

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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 4:28 pm

Hey PHIL the best advice i got from everyone here was to stick to AV mode in the camera and stay around the F8 area.
I now just leave my camera on F8 in av mode and let the camera worry about the shutter speed.
And also you say your shooting at 200 ISO try to go down to 100 and if the light is bad then go up to 200 if you have too.
The 300D has also got settings for sharpening you can change the sharpening on it but dont go down below the middle setting.

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 1):
All photos need to be processed in photoshop and if you want you can send me an e-mail and I will forward you on my workflow on how I process my shots.

And a great workflow at that im using it as i speak and finding it very helpful indeed.

[Edited 2005-05-03 09:36:59]
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 4:39 pm

Wilco, it looks like you have been using the Auto setting on your 300D. First shot was ISO200, F5.6, 1/1000sec - second shot was ISO200, F6.3, 1/1250sec. No Exposure Bias was applied. For fairly static shots of aircraft like that in good light try using you 300D in AV mode, ISO100 and set the aperture to around F8 - F9. Normally most lens are at their sharpest when they are stopped down to that size.

Always check the histogram after you have taken a shot and try and get the main peak in the most central part of the graph. If it is all bunched to the left then if is slightly underexposing so increase the exposure bias slightly. If the graph is all to the right then knock the bias down slightly. This is a simplistic explaination of how these functions work but should point you in the right direction.

Cheers .. Jid
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wilco737
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 5:49 pm

hi Jid,

well actually I didnt use the Auto funcion, I used the Av funcion and set f5.6 and let the camera do the rest of the stuff!

I didnt work with the exposure bias yet. Maybe I should  Wink

And I have another question: how do you know the settings of those pictures?! Obviously the camera and PC stores them, but I dont know where to find them...

Thanks so far!

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Staffan
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 5:56 pm

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
And I have another question: how do you know the settings of those pictures?! Obviously the camera and PC stores them, but I dont know where to find them...

Most image viewers have options to display EXIF data. In windows XP you can right click the file and choose properties and in one of the boxes the data will show.

What focusing mode are you using?

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Erwin972
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 6:01 pm

Hi Phil,

To look at the settings - also called EXIF data - go to windows explorer, right click on the file, go to properties and search for advanced on one of the tabs.
You can also look at them in Photoshop.

I looked at both shots: first shot might also be soft because of the distance: the influence of the atmosphere at work here. The second one is very dark because of the metering that is looking at the very bright landing lights, and thus underexposing the shot.

Other things already mentioned, when there is enough light:
- Av mode
- F8
- Iso 100
- work with some exposure bias, underexpose with complete white liveries in the bright sun, overexpose when head-ons with bright lamps shining at you...
- explorer the possibilities of shooting RAW - leaves you more options during post-processing to save the shot.

Next time I am at FRA it is time for a crash course  Smile ?

Kind regards,
Erwin
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 6:08 pm

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7):
I used the Av funcion and set f5.6 and let the camera do the rest of the stuff!

Wilco, like the others have said, change the apperture to f8-f11. Thers is no need to select f5.6 on a sunny day. Also you may have problems with your depth of field when using this apperture. Keep the ISO low and use Large and fine JPEG.

Take care

Fergul Big grin
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wilco737
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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 7:38 pm

hey everybody,

thanks a lot to all replies and I will try it and then try to upload some of the shots! Maybe I have more luck then!

Well, Erwin, come to FRA and you can show me how to use my camera  Wink

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RE: I Need Your Help, Please!

Tue May 03, 2005 7:57 pm

Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
you can show me how to use my camera Wink

don't bother, he only owns a shitty Nikon . Nah just kidding, Erwin knows how to handle a camera. I'll try to get to FRA sometime as well, just to make sure he doesn't talk you into Nikon stuff.

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