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Black & White/Sepia

Fri May 06, 2005 9:20 am

I was thinking about this the other day - with the new manipulation rules, is converting photos to black and white (or Sepia) still allowed?

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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Fri May 06, 2005 9:32 am

Black and White maybe, but I highly doubt Sepia is allowed.
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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Fri May 06, 2005 6:02 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
Black and White maybe, but I highly doubt Sepia is allowed.

This could become an interesting discussion.
Of course B & W is accepted and I guess sticking a sepia filter in front of my lens isn't wrong either.
So if an image is shot that way it's not against any rule but today we can easily do it afterwards which probably is against the rules.
The question is "who is going to spot the difference" after I stripped the EXIF data ?
This example shows what I mean.


Where the original looks like this.

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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sat May 07, 2005 12:26 am

I'm assuming a sepia conversion is OK, as these have been accepted recently:

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In fact, the above shots were the reason I added this one to the queue:
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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sat May 07, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 3):
I'm assuming a sepia conversion is OK, as these have been accepted recently:

Nice shots Mark, as an old aircraft bugger I can appreciate these images.
Did you convert them from digital(or analog) color to b & w sepia like I did or shot them like that ?
Anyway it's appropriate for old aircraft I think although a conversion might be against the rules.
Since they are in the database already it proofs my point though.

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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sat May 07, 2005 1:45 am

Willem, only the Spirit of St Louis replica picture is mine. It's from a b&w negative.

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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sat May 07, 2005 4:05 am

oeps sorry, I did not pay attention to the names involved.

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 5):
It's from a b&w negative.

That should be alright.
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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sat May 07, 2005 12:29 pm

It was Alex's photo that got me thinking - I don't have a problem with it but I was wondering what the screeners thought of that since that photo was uploaded before the new rules came into effect.

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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sat May 07, 2005 12:42 pm

Most consumer digitals have a B&W mode, how would desaturating a RAW file be different to that?

Toning, I guess it would be a matter of degree... and hard to police.

Interested to see what the screening community has to say about this.

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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sun May 08, 2005 2:59 pm

The only reason why I added the 2 shots taken at Chino (DC-3 and L-29) was because I like the dynamic resolution of the Fuji S2 and enjoyed the clarity it could resolve even in b/w. Plus I was getting a little tired of color shots and recently went into shooting with rangefinders with b/w film.

I think there is definitely a place for more of these shots and I intend to upload some of my images taken on film.
 
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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Sun May 08, 2005 3:06 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
Most consumer digitals have a B&W mode, how would desaturating a RAW file be different to that?

It wouldn't, they are one and the same.

Quoting Lyzzard (Reply 9):
with b/w film.

The only way to shoot black and white. b/w film, the right kind not the wal-mart knockoff, is still nice and sharp, and the right amount of contrast. The digital "bw" mode on a camera just desaturates the image taken in color, and as a result alot of contrast is lost. Digital bw is very tough to get right, but still, it's kinda fake.
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RE: Black & White/Sepia

Mon May 09, 2005 6:48 pm

Actually BW manipulation in photoshop is more than just a straight removal of color. My images were actually run through a certain filters to get the look I was after. I don't think it's as fake as you suggest but I tend to see it as another medium. The look of digital BW is definitely different from that of film but I enjoy shooting in both mediums as the end results are very different from one another.

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