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My First Photos - Help / Views / Opinions!

Sun May 15, 2005 2:18 am

Hi there!

I went down to Nottingham East Midlands Airport today, with my new Panasonic DMC-FZ5, which has an Optical Zoom of 12x and 5 Megapixels. It was extremely busy today compared to the last Saturday when I went, and I met some very nice people!

Here are a 8 of my best photos. I would love it if you could tell me how to improve them, and also I would like here a few views about them. I am new to Aviation Photography, so I do not mind any comments good or bad  Smile Please give them time to load  Wink


















BTW, this Boeing 747 used less runway to take-off than a First Choice A321 I saw, both me and the people who surrounded us had never seen anything like it! It used practically half East Midlands Airports Runway! Big grin What an experience!



So then, what do you all think?

The rest of my pictures will be on my site soon  Wink

Cheers and thanks!, Ryan
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P.S, how do I make it so when you click the pictures, it makes them larger?  Smile
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Sun May 15, 2005 2:59 am

WOW!!!!!

GREAT PICS!

U have to put [IMG] At the beggining and at the end of the Post

Cya

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Sun May 15, 2005 3:02 am

It look's like you were backlit at that location! Usually a big no no for photography!

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Sun May 15, 2005 4:46 am

Ya I would agree with the backlit part. The RyanAir pics are too dark because of bad lighting, and the BMI Baby is overexposed, the white is very bright. I don't know if they are A.net material or not because I am not a screener, but they are a good start for your first photos.
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Sun May 15, 2005 5:38 am

A good start, certainly far, far better than my first ever pics.

A tip to help you improve is:-

Try and get the sun behind you, the aircraft will be much better lit that way (just beware of overexposing!):

The Sun You The aircraft

or:

The Aircraft You The Sun

Not always possible to do and a location can change from being a good spot in the morning to being a bad spot in the afternoon or vice versa. It's not easy to find a spot that is good all day.

I'm using an FZ-20, similar to your FZ-5.

Best regards,

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Sun May 15, 2005 5:52 am

Not bad at all, better than my first ones, for sure.

Just level the photos, crop a lot toghter to the plane and watch out for the landing gear being blocked by grass and runway signs, you will get bad motive. Also the 747, too much clutter around the plane, again bad motive.

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 2):
It look's like you were backlit at that location! Usually a big no no for photography!

Absolutly right, unless you just can't avoid it always have the sun behind you. If you are having problems with too much refleaction you can underexpose your shots a bit and then bring it out in PS.
Practice, practice practice practice.

Take care

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Sun May 15, 2005 5:57 am

But don't do what I do and under-expose too much so that midday shots might get by the screeners in the 'Night-shot' category.  Smile

Best regards,

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Sun May 15, 2005 6:30 am

Hi there Big grin

Thanks so much for the tips, I am so pleased I am getting help!

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 4):
Try and get the sun behind you, the aircraft will be much better lit that way (just beware of overexposing!):

This is a point I thought would appear, the location is known to have the sun in the wrong position. A fellow A.netter has given me directions to a location where the sun will be behind me Big grin

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 4):
I'm using an FZ-20, similar to your FZ-5.

There fantastic cameras! I am glad I brought "Luma" (its name)  Wink as she produces some fantastic shots! As you are a fellow Panasonic user, may I ask what settings you use for:

  • Taxing shots? (I've had it on manual)
  • Landing/Take-off shots? (I've had it on manual again)
  • Distance shots? (manual once again)

    Maybe I would be better of using the pre-programmed settings, or Shutter-Priority mode? Also, what does the "p" mode do? Does it do it for you?

    Thanks for your help Jim Smile

    Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 5):
    Just level the photos, crop a lot toghter to the plane and watch out for the landing gear being blocked by grass and runway signs, you will get bad motive. Also the 747, too much clutter around the plane, again bad motive.

    I thought the Boeing 747 had a bit too much clutter around it, I have some others of it, but they are too dark. I will also have to watch out for the landing gear as well  Smile Thanks for your help Fergul Big grin

    I am going to Manchester next weekend, so I will try all these things, and get more used to the camera through the week!

    I need a Photo editor really, I am currently using "Microsoft PictureIt"

    Thanks for the help everyone, and I look forward to hearing more tips!  Wink

    Cheers, Ryan  bigthumbsup 
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    Sun May 15, 2005 7:07 am

    Quoting SignalOne (Reply 7):
    I need a Photo editor really, I am currently using "Microsoft PictureIt"

    Get Photoshop Elements 3.0, its very good, value for money, about £70 and it can handle raw images when you get to that stage.
    Fill the frame with the aircraft as mush as you can, then down size to 1024 x ***

    Takea care

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    Sun May 15, 2005 8:32 am

    Ryan..

    DLKAPA (Eric) has this very good website. Here you'll find, if you use Photoshop mainly, what you're looking for..

    http://rockymountainavphotos.com/Eric/workflow.html

    Cheers

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    Sun May 15, 2005 4:22 pm

    Ryan,

    Those Panasonics are rather nice for an all in-one camera. Certainly the range offers excellent value for those who don't want to move to DSLR's and interchangable lenses.

    P mode is automatic mode. You point the camera at the target and it works out what shutter speed and aperture setting to use. I find it actually does a good job for most things.

    A mode. You decide what aperture you wish to use (the bigger the F-number, the smaller the hole) and the camera works out the other settings. A smaller aperture lets in less light, but more areas within the shot will be in focus (a better depth of field). Click here for more details. As a rule of thumb, f8 is a good f number to use on sunny days.

    S mode. You choose the shutter speed, the camera works out the rest. As a rule of thumb, I was told by one of the wise ones on here to use 1/125th second for stationary aircraft, 1/250th second for slower jets, flying props and helicopters and 1/500th second for high speed jets. For more info read this.

    M Mode. You are in total command. You choose the shutter speeds and aperture size yourself. Again, a rule of thumb is, on a sunny day it is often recommended you try f8, 1/500th second and see how things go from there.

    I must admit that I play around with settings quite a lot in the field and generally end up wrecking lots of photos as a result. One of the problems I find is that the images look much brighter on the camera LCD (most makes) than they do on the computer. This encourages me to adjust the settings, underexpose and end up with results that are too dark and not adjustable enough to upload here. I've lost some superb shots to that problem. I really must learn to ignore the LCD or remember that if it looks a bit too bright, it is probably correctly exposed.  Wink

    Ideally you need to learn how to expose properly. I think the best way for impatient people like me is to go the airport, make a note of the general conditions. Fire off lots of shots (use P mode if you like, the camera will then throw in all sorts of different conditions for you to have fun with later.), maybe try playing around with a few settings, then go home. The data of your camera settings is stored in the EXIF information of each photo and you can use this with your photos to work out how to improve. One of my shots last trip out was superb (by my standards), so I looked in the EXIF data and guess what - f8, 1/500th second. The subject was an airliner with a white upperside, the sun was behind me with no cloud over it.

    So I now know that a highly reflective airliner at that location, with the sun behind me, with strong sun intensity, can be successfully shot with a setting of f8 for 1/500th second.

    You can also use this to learn about what you shouldn't do and what the limits are. For example, if the camera decided to use a longer exposure, how did it turn out? Was it too dark? Or did you find that using a shutter speed of 1/640th second also gave good results? Gradually, this will allow you to build up an idea of what settings work best for you under for what conditions - keep a notebook!

    One other thing I should mention is that you should try to set the ISO setting to 100 (or 80). This article will explain why.

    As to image editing software, there is a lot to learn here. Photoshop Elements 3 is probably the best 'cheap' software to use. It is what I use. But it contains a lot of stuff. For the first week of using it I was convinced I had just wasted £80. But now I love it. You may be able to use tools that have come with your scanner or camera, but these are usually inferior. There is a freeware image program called XnView (use Google to find it) that is good for viewing images, resizing, adjusting light levels, colour levels and has an excellent one-hit sharpening tool called Enhance Detail. One thing it does very poorly however is rotate. You'll need to find another program to rotate your images. But , if you don't have anything else, it will get you started and introduced to some of the advanced editing features.

    Best regards,

    Jim
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    Sun May 15, 2005 11:42 pm

    Hi there!

    Thanks for all the help everyone.

    Jim, a spectacular answer there, and what a massive help its been! Big grin You have told me everything I wanted to know and more. I cannot stress how appreciative I am of you spending time on this. You have been a massive help over the past few Weeks! Thanks!

    > I have been a bit reluctant to use the "P" mode, mainly because of the lack of information in the Panansonic Manual in explaining what it actually does. Thanks for clearing that up, and when I go to Manchester, I think I will try a mix of "A" mode, and "P" modes. I never knew about that EXIF Photo information thing, and me and my Dad are really pleased you can actually do that!  Smile

    Thanks for the answer, you have help me, and loads of others too  bigthumbsup 

    In a moment, I will post a few more of my best images, just to see what you think  Wink

    Cheers, Ryan
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    Mon May 16, 2005 12:18 am

    Hi,

    Here are a few more of my best Pictures, and a question for you all:

    Is there any way of making a Photo like this Thomsonfly any better, when using Photo editing software?
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids1140505046.jpg

    These are a few more of my best, click for bigger versions.  Wink

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids2140505027.jpg
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids2140505015.jpg
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NottsEastMids2140505011.jpg

    Myself, I think most of the problems stated above to do with light apply to these few aswell, but I would be happy to hear some views!

    BTW, all of my Photos which are of a certain standard are now on My Website

    Cheers, and thanks for the help  Wink
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    Mon May 16, 2005 12:20 am

    Hi,

    Sorry about all the posts, I could not add this onto my last post, as this message kept telling me the thread had been deleted.

    What can be the problem here? I was not using any digital zoom, and this has wrecked quite a few of my Photos. I think it may be HeatHaze? or something to do with heat?



    Cheers, Ryan.  Smile
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    Mon May 16, 2005 12:25 am

    Quoting SignalOne (Reply 13):
    What can be the problem here? I was not using any digital zoom, and this has wrecked quite a few of my Photos. I think it may be HeatHaze? or something to do with heat?

    Most probably heat haze. One of the things that can kill a photo. It look's like that aircraft was on a taxiway, and you was shooting over the runway.

    There's good things and theres bad things about summer, it's great that you can shoot till 9pm at night, but it's also bad that we get so much heat haze! Sad

    Bring on the Winter!  Wink

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    Mon May 16, 2005 12:39 am

    Yep,

    That's heat-haze. Can kill a photo even over short distances.

    Best regards,

    Jim
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    Fri May 20, 2005 1:43 am

    Hi,

    Any chance of this edited Bmibaby getting on here? If not, I am guessing its because of the reasons stated above, or if its another reason, feel free to comment!  bigthumbsup 

    Click for a slightly larger image  Wink

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NOTS2_filteredo.jpg

    Thanks everyone, I should be going to East Mids this weekend with all your tips onboard, and a new selection of Photography spots at the Airport to explore!

    Cheers, Ryan
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    Fri May 20, 2005 2:37 am

    The quality of the pic is ok, how big is the original? I think standard size for an A.net pic is 1024X768 which is 4X3, or 1024X683 which is 3X2. One tip, try to get as much of the aircraft in the frame as possible in your final edited shot. I edited the BMI Baby just to show you how close I would have cropped it.
    http://img77.echo.cx/my.php?image=nots2filteredo2dj.jpg
    You can even crop it all the way to the wings if you wanted to. Nice start though for your first pics.
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    Fri May 20, 2005 3:03 am

    Hi,

    Firstly, let me thankyou for spending your time cropping that picture for me and helping me out!  bigthumbsup  Thanks, I am very appreciative of that.

    Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 17):
    The quality of the pic is ok, how big is the original?

    The original was 1024x767, its just the Photobucket account shrunk it  Sad I am going to crop it, and report back to you  Smile

    Thanks for your help, Ryan
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    Fri May 20, 2005 3:18 am

    What do I think? YOU SUCK! Big grin

    Just kidding..

    Your off to a good start. You have some lighting issues but nothing major. Make sure that sun is behind you when you shoot. A couple of the pics of the 747 were great, just need some work. Also get a better lens. You need some more zoom. Keep snapping away and learning!
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    Fri May 20, 2005 4:23 am

    Hi,

    Here is the cropped version, again too small, but you can see the Photo well generally.

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/NOTS2_filteredos.jpg

    Having been able the see full size Photo, the quality has decreased a tiny bit, but things are still O.K

    Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 19):
    Also get a better lens. You need some more zoom.

    I am going to look into this around Christmas time, but its a digital with a fixed 12x Optical Zoom, so I dont know if I can extend it?

  • I have been doing some more editing, all-though I still think this shot isn't quite good enough to get on here. (Right wing is off Photo, too much reflection)

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/Ryanair_filtered.jpg

    practice makes perfect, and I am in no rush  

    Cheers, Ryan 

    [Edited 2005-05-19 21:27:45]
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    Fri May 20, 2005 9:07 pm

    Hey Ryan,

    Hmmmm. I have to say if you want to get serious about pic taking invest in a Digital SLR. It's expensive but well worth it. With a good lens you will improve your pics so much. You are taking good pictures with a point and shoot so with a little practice and a SLR you could get some nice shots. GOOD LUCK!
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    Fri May 20, 2005 9:32 pm

    Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
    I have to say if you want to get serious about pic taking invest in a Digital SLR

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    Unless you have very rich parents or do a bank robbery you could have long wait Big grin

    Fergul mentioned "Elements" as photo editing suite earlier. Have a look on eBay. There are usually copies of it available fairly cheaply, often being sold by people who have had it arrive with a scanner or a camera.
     
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    Fri May 20, 2005 11:31 pm

    Hi,

    Quoting Willo (Reply 22):
    Unless you have very rich parents or do a bank robbery you could have long wait

    It will be a long wait, as I have only this month brought the Panasonic DMC-FZ5 for £209, that's what I am using to take these shots.  Wink

    Quoting Willo (Reply 22):
    Fergul mentioned "Elements" as photo editing suite earlier. Have a look on eBay. There are usually copies of it available fairly cheaply, often being sold by people who have had it arrive with a scanner or a camera.

    I have Jasc Paintshop 8 and Adobe Photoshop 7, I got them both for £5 off ebay, and they work perfectly!  Smile Its just getting used to using them, things should improve though. Big grin

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    Sat May 21, 2005 1:46 am

    Ryan,

    I'm going to join the chorus in congratulating you on your first shots. Very good for a first time effort.

    With regards to digital SLRs, I would say for now keep using that new camera of yours. I would expect with practice and using the optimum settings on your camera, you should be able to get some nice shots into the a.net database. In a while (months? years?) you will probably want to get a DSLR, but for now a rather high-end P&S like yours will work just fine.

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    Sat May 21, 2005 4:54 am

    Quoting SignalOne (Reply 23):
    It will be a long wait, as I have only this month brought the Panasonic DMC-FZ5 for £209, that's what I am using to take these shots.

    I hear you. I feel that only DSLRs have the capability to take action shots with the quality you are looking for. You can do fine with your current camera but I would save and buy a DSLR. It is the right equipment for what we are trying to do here. Lenses too.
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    Sat May 21, 2005 5:16 am

    I have been doing some more editing, all-though I still think this shot isn't quite good enough to get on here. (Right wing is off Photo, too much reflection)

    Did you use neatimage or some other noise reducing program here? I looked at the original you posted, and you have lost almost all detail in the grass. The grass is always a dead giveaway of neatimage.

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    Sat May 21, 2005 5:28 am

    Hi,

    Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 25):
    I hear you. I feel that only DSLRs have the capability to take action shots with the quality you are looking for. You can do fine with your current camera but I would save and buy a DSLR. It is the right equipment for what we are trying to do here. Lenses too.

    Defiantly, a Digital SLR will be an excellent buy in a few years. We was going to invest in one, but my Dad felt that as we where sharing the Camera is was best to get the FZ-5 as my Mum was happy with that, as she didn't feel too happy about a DSLR. The thing is, when I am older, I will be able to buy a DSLR, because we will not be sharing and my Parents will be able to keep the FZ-5 if they wan't too. That's if things go O.K.

    In the meantime, I am going to spend 5 years or so with the Panasonic, and this will give me an amazing time-span to improve technique, and if I start taking this seriously, it may be a good idea to invest in a DSLR when I am older.

    This all started on a Visit to the Airport Aeropark about January, (I was interested in Civil Aviation before, but not for Photos) and I took along my little Digital Camera, took a few Pictures.


    Me and my Dad went to the Airport on Saturday primarily for some Plane Pics, not from the Aeropark. I got the Pictures home, and they where, well, rubbish:



    We agreed that a better Camera was needed, and after a long search, we settled on the Panasonic.
    Advice/Help: What Digital Camera Should I Buy? (by SignalOne Apr 18 2005 in Aviation Photography)

    We then went up to the Airport last Saturday, took a few excellent shots, and met some great People, out there, and on here.

    and that's where the story ends....

    Until a few days, when I submit a load more Photos for your opinions!  Smile

    Quoting Newark777 (Reply 26):
    Did you use neatimage or some other noise reducing program here? I looked at the original you posted, and you have lost almost all detail in the grass. The grass is always a dead giveaway of neatimage.

    Well spotted! I have since ceased using this program as I have decided that I would be better off learning about other ways to reduce noise. To be honest, I didn't feel good using that software. I felt like I was being lazy. I am going to learn how to use Paintshop and Photoshop to edit the noise.

    Cheers, RM  Smile
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    Sat May 21, 2005 6:09 am

    Quoting Newark777 (Reply 26):
    Did you use neatimage or some other noise reducing program here? I looked at the original you posted, and you have lost almost all detail in the grass. The grass is always a dead giveaway of neatimage.



    Quoting SignalOne (Reply 27):
    Well spotted! I have since ceased using this program as I have decided that I would be better off learning about other ways to reduce noise. To be honest, I didn't feel good using that software. I felt like I was being lazy. I am going to learn how to use Paintshop and Photoshop to edit the noise.

    I think most of us who have used NeatImage have got overzealous at times!  Smile

    It is actually a powerful tool that, if used sensitively and correctly, can produce excellent results. If you play around with it and its many settings rather than let it do its own thing, you will find that you can often (but not always) reduce (note that I say reduce, not remove) noise from areas you want without killing the grass.

    It isn't easy and I don't know how to explain it really - it's more of an art than a science. But the acid test, the thing you really should do if using it, is concentrate on making sure the foreground and background vegetation and tarmac is virtually untouched by what you do. It is possible to do this and produce notable noise reduction on the aircraft without loss of detail - man-made objects tend to respond well to noise reduction, natural objects do not. You may have noticed this. This is why you often get the aircraft noise reduced nicely but you screw up the foreground and background.

    Having said all that though, at the end of the day there is no substitute to producing images with low noise in the first place.

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    Sat May 21, 2005 2:37 pm

    Well spotted! I have since ceased using this program as I have decided that I would be better off learning about other ways to reduce noise. To be honest, I didn't feel good using that software. I felt like I was being lazy. I am going to learn how to use Paintshop and Photoshop to edit the noise.

    You're a smart man. Look up any thread relating to it, and you will see how much people discourage the use of this program. Almost everyone who uses it over-uses it, and it ends up ruining your photos. If you are a beginner to the world of digital photography, stay away from this program. Good luck, and remember, practice makes (almost) perfect.  Wink

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    RE: My First Photos - Help / Views / Opinions!

    Sun May 22, 2005 2:08 am

    Hi,

    I went down to East Midlands Again today, I went to the usual Diseworth Road spot as it was not sunny, and I tried out a new location. Then it started raining, so I went off home. Anyway...

    Here they are: (Click for a larger picture)  

    Taken from Diseworth Road:

    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/RyansBirthday2005andNottinghamEastMidlands015EDITED_filtered.jpg



    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/G-BGGO.jpg

    Taken from a Road surrounding the Airport:



    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/SignalOne/DHL757BROWN_filtered.jpg


    The last Saturday I went, they were using runway 09, this time it was 27, so the Pictures are quite different.

    I have some more Photos to post, but these are the best, so I will post them first 

    So then, what do you all think? I don't think they are much better than last week personally, but I would love to hear some of your opinions!  

    Cheers, Ryan
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    RE: My First Photos - Help / Views / Opinions!

    Sun May 22, 2005 2:56 am

    Hello

    I love the DHL 757 Yellow.

    And I love the first BmiBaby And the second on the first thread!

    cya

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    RE: My First Photos - Help / Views / Opinions!

    Tue May 24, 2005 12:14 am

    Hi,

    Does anyone have any ideas of how I could increase the Optical Zoom on my Panasonic DMC-FZ5? Is there any attachmenrs or something?

    Also, would I harm my Photos if I was to use just 2x Digital Zoom ontop of the 12x Optical?

    Heres my Camera, except its black:


    Photo Imaging-Resource


    Cheers, Ryan
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    RE: My First Photos - Help / Views / Opinions!

    Tue May 24, 2005 3:18 am

    According to the DPReview website, third party add-on lenses are available.

    However, I would be careful at trying to increase your level of optical zoom.

    Firstly, for aircraft (on the ground anyway), the more air you shoot through, the more chance you have of visual disturbances caused by temperature differences. This 'heat-haze' can be a real problem some days and is only solvable by being as physically as close to the aircraft as possible. The further you are away both the likelihood of it affecting your shot and the severity of the disturbance increase. It isn't a problem for shooting aircraft flying overhead however.

    Secondly, don't you find it hard enough to keep the aircraft in the frame at 12x? Wobbling around increases as you increase the zoom, no matter how steady your hands are. Above 12x, you will really need to think about some extra stabilisation such as a tripod.

    Thirdly, these extra lenses tend to be expensive. The Panasonic one for the FZ-20 was more than the original camera! I also have no idea about the quality - extra lenses will reduce the quality to some degree. If it is a good quality extra lens the difference may not be noticeable, if it is a cheap, low quality extra lens, it may make the shots almost unusable.

    Digital zoom tends to be of insufficiently low quality. It is ok for less critical photos, but for quality aircraft shots they don't tend to be good enough, the digital process leads to shots that are too soft. The Panasonic Venus II software in the camera does seem to do a better job than most I've seen however. Try it and see.

    As a rule of thumb, if you can't get the aircraft big enough with what you already have, you are too far away and need to find a new spot!

    Best regards,

    Jim
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