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Home Made Aircraft

Thu May 26, 2005 2:37 pm

I have a question about how to upload home made aircraft that have the name of the person that made it as manufactured on the FAA reg. Database like N102ML.

Thanks for letting me know.

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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Thu May 26, 2005 2:50 pm

Name: Paul Robbins
Email: Test@test.com
Aircraft: TWO EZ-MS1
Airline: Untitled
Aircraft Generic: Bowden Michael B
Place: Darwin - International (DRW/YPDN) Australia - Northern Territory (sure)
Comment: TEST
CN: 001
Code: Blank

That's my  twocents  on how one should upload it. In the end it will just say;

Untitled
TWO EZ-MS1

Hope that helps ya!

Matt
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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Thu May 26, 2005 8:11 pm

"Bowden Michael B" is most definately not the "Aircraft Generic"... that's the name of the man who built it.

The Editors will soon contribute with the acurate version of what should be listed. I will not preempt them.

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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Thu May 26, 2005 9:42 pm

The correct way for uploading photos of homebuilts is to use the designer or kit manufacturer's name as the manufacturer's name.

An example is e.g. the Van's RV-6A: Van's is the designer and kit supplier, but e.g. in the US Register they are listed with the individual builder's name as the manufacturer. So you have e.g. an Achelis Scott RV-6A, an Ahrens David Lee RV-6A, a Rudolph Richard W RV-6A and 1300 or so more.

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Above, an "Amateur Van's" RV-6A and a "Barron Glenn" RV-6A

For our purposes this is unworkable, so we would list all those as Van's RV-6A. If you like, you can give the name of the real builder in the Remarks field.

In this case the generic type would be Van's RV-6 (generic types are without version pre- or suffixes), and the version type would be Van's RV-6A (thus including the version letter "A"). Please remember that the manufacturer's name must be listed both in the generic type and in the version type!

Of course, not everybody is a homebuilt type expert, and it can sometimes be (very) difficult to find out the designer or kit supplier. What you can do is the following: take only the model number from the Register, and then do a Google search with it. With a bit of effort the designer or kit supplier can often be found. It is fun and it will increase your knowledge quickly.

Of course, there are also unique aircraft, designed and built by an individual who is not selling plans or kits. In those cases, only use the family name of the individual as the manufacturer's name, the forename(s) can be listed in the Remarks field. E.g. the aircraft listed in the Register as a Haich Nathaniel 1600 would be listed as a Haich 1600, and in the Remarks as "built by Nathaniel Haich". In the US Register, the family name is always given first.

Some homebuilts are already on the upload page, like all the Van's aircraft. More will be added in the future.

The example given by Paul, N102ML, is a difficult one, as it is or a unique design, or the builder has given a different name to another designer's aircraft (which is allowed in the US!). It is listed as a Bowden Michael B TWO EZ-MS1. When no original designer can be found, this aircraft should be listed as a Bowden TWO-EZ-MS1, with "built by Michael B. Bowden" in the Remarks field. However, I think this aircraft might be a Rutan Vari-Eze or Long-EZ, but I would have to see the picture for that.

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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Fri May 27, 2005 12:32 am

Thank you both for the correction. So how would one know what type of kit a/c it is if say I was at CCR and saw one come rolling into 32R? My thing would be look up the reg and see that and fill that in. If not do you just leave the generic untitled?

Thanks,

Matt
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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Fri May 27, 2005 12:46 am

According to the PFA, there's a variant of the Vari EZ called the Twin EZ, with two Jabiru engines. That is what this appears to be.

While the bulk of the airframe is by Rutan, the twin-engine design was apparently done by Shaw. Which leaves us with a quandary.

Since I don't think we want to get into having to know that the Twin Bee was modified by Gigante in order to find it, I think the logical thing to do in this case would be:

Generic: Rutan Twin EZ
Type: Rutan Twin EZ-MSI

I think the "1" is erroneous, as it looks like an I everywhere but the FAA database.

If Peter would like to weigh in on the matter again, it would be appreciated.
 
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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Sat May 28, 2005 1:33 am

That's VariEze, not Vari EZ. As you are a database editor, here is some info. The official names of the Rutan designs are:

VariViggen (no space or dash)
VariEze (no space or dash)
Long-EZ (no space)

For more info, look at the official Rutan Aircraft Factory website: http://www.rutanaircraft.com/htmlpages/airplanes.html
 
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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Sat May 28, 2005 1:55 am

Couldn't have picked one way to creatively spell "Easy" and stuck with it...

Thanks.
 
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RE: Home Made Aircraft

Sat May 28, 2005 3:41 am

I had this same thing come up here recently:


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It is a kit built plane, based on the Piper Cub - generically called a "Cuby" but the name of the person who built it was Brugioni Mario at least according to the FAA register... so I listed it as a "Brugioni Mario Cuby".

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