draigonair
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Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 1:18 am

Hey guys,

Well what I witnessed today I'm still rather shocked by it.... I was minding my own business at roughly the place they touch down at 18R (side where there isnt a bysicle lane. There are also fields there growing plants and stuff belonging to farmers. Off course I was on the side, grass, and not the field it self. Well I wanted to leave so walked back a bit and then waited for another arrival. Then I saw a car coming through the fields (dirt road) he was about to pass me so I waved. The guy slammed the brake coming in an instant halt and he ran out and started screaming on top of his lungs 'GET THE HELL OUT NOW YOU BASTARDS' (I was alone). He came running at me so I started to run as well...he kept yelling (some Dutch swear words) and off course I fell (stupid me as it was bit slippery as the ground was at an angle) my camera was OK (had it in other had) the guy came close to me shouting 'you deserved IT you guys keep ruining my land NOW GET out dont want to see you every AGAIN' (he kept shouting for another minute) all I was saying sorry I didn't do anything... He left after that.

Just want to warm all spotters about that place as these guys are really really angry people! Couldn't believe this. He also said there was a sign...apparently there is but very very small (saying, forbidden entry)...I came to my car and another farmer was there (calmer thankfully) and I told him about the guy etc, and also I advised him PUT BIGGER signs...as I had no clue I wasn't aloud there...

So please anyone going there be aware...it wasnt a nice experience.

Cheers

Nick

[Edited 2005-05-27 18:22:04]
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 1:32 am

Easy Farmer John, LOL!!!.. Did he have a pitchfork?
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 1:43 am

I've experienced the same a few years ago when I was photographing in Lower Austria for a magazine. But the guy "talking" to me came with a rifle as he was (better is, as he's still living) a hunter and threatened me to make a complaint at the police. It was senceless to discuss with him although I talked to him in an unexcited tone. Ten minutes later I grabbed my equipment and left the meadow. I could not understand why the guy was that excited as the grass had recently been cut.

All the best
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 1:50 am

Nick,

I go there very often and never had problems as long you keep on the dead end road (that belong to the farmer as well I think) Wink

Maybe next time go in the weekend in the early morning when the man is asleep and not working on the field  Big grin  Silly

I know that farmers can be  butthead  sometimes

I think Nick is refer to this spot along rwy 18R

http://members.home.nl/w.wanrooy/UA.jpg

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 1:54 am

Yeah I was bit more to the right....and the guy came there (front the right) with his car....sometimes I just hate the mentality of these people...

People sitting on that little road were also sent away.

[Edited 2005-05-27 18:55:30]
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 2:09 am

Maybe he recently got a wonderful touchdown photo rejected here.  Wink

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 2:17 am

My experience with the farmer was much better but I'm not sure if this actually the same place you speak of. On the weekend I spent in AMS I was ask to leave two places and in both cases the people were very polite and even allowed us to stay a few extra minutes. They explained that they have to ask us to go or there will be hundreds of spotters every day... I think we are worse than bugs for their crops  Smile

I told the farmer to start charning 10euro per person!

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 2:40 am

Ya know, if this were america, the guy could legally claim copyright to all the photos you took at that location... Something to think about.
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Thread starter):
Then I saw a car coming through the fields (dirt road) he was about to pass me so I waved. The guy slammed the brake coming in an instant halt and he ran out and started screaming on top of his lungs

Ah Nick, I run into this same guy at the same spot beginning of this year. What an absolute jerk that guy was. He said all spotters are mindless, stupid bastards who are unbelievable rude and dare to stand on his land (sorry for the language).

There was no way of communicating with him, I even offered him my apologize for my existence but he kept on shouting and threatening with the police. Who said Amsterdam is a photographers friendly place?

Kind regards,
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 3:24 am

Yeah... I don't go there anymore either... Freaky farmer. What happens if we go there with 10+ spotters all at once. Will he be just as aggressive? devil 
Sad really, it's a very good spot.
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 9):
What happens if we go there with 10+ spotters all at once. Will he be just as aggressive? devil

I feel an AMS locals meet coming up, I would say how about camping next to the polderbaan?  Wink.
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 5:34 am

I regularly piss all over his crops Wink

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 5:41 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 7):
Ya know, if this were america

Oh don't open that can of worms... LOL  Wink
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 5:43 am

haha good you guys had same experience...think we should get together and like go to his house haah  Smile Cause if you stand at the round-a-bout, there is no sign saying 'private land'...very sad that guy shouted at me while i was alone...aah wel..

If you guys go there let me know!  Smile

cheers

Nick
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting DRAIGONAIR (Reply 13):
Cause if you stand at the round-a-bout, there is no sign saying 'private land'

Well, do I have news for you, cause since today there are signs ALL OVER the place, you will not believe this:




He has the municipal of Haarlemmermeer (name of the town here) place a couple of these signs.

Good luck,
Erwin

[Edited 2005-05-27 22:59:59]
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 6:31 am

Next time someone goes to this spot, can he bring one of those big Edding markers and write on that particular sign: "BEWARE OF MAD FARMER!" and draw a pitchfork in its hand? Something like:

Thanks.
Ed

[Edited 2005-05-27 23:41:35]
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 6:33 am

*cough*steeksleutel 13*cough*

just a practical joke with my fellow dutch photographers
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draigonair
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 6:38 am

haha. It was just insane saying your not aloud here while there are no signs! Funny that they got the signs today.

cheers

Nick

[Edited 2005-05-27 23:39:08]
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 15):
Next time someone goes to this spot, can he bring one of those big Edding markers and write on that particular sign: "BEWARE OF MAD FARMER!" and draw a pitchfork in its hand?

That was also come up in my mind ,and for sure I am gonna do that(hope someone is not before me)

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
I regularly piss all over his crops

Damn Farmer       
And for sure he can expect a piss attack from my side  

William

[Edited 2005-05-27 23:49:04]
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 6:49 am

Although this man's behavior was far out of proportion some understanding might be a good thing too.
Where ever people visit AMS they leave a F..... mess behind.
We know that it isn't caused by us....... photographers but the farmers probably does not see the difference.
Also I don't think a sign will help a lot.
Take the spotters place along side 06/24 for example which has a sign big as a house "don't feed the birds" !
Guess what these A..H.... are doing ?

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 7:12 am

Willem raises a good point. I think the farmer at the end of 08 at Gatwick gets a tad hacked off with spotters/photographers walking in his field and flattening his crops in the summer months. I think it may be one of the reasons the infamous 'mound' went but I am speculating.

Just on the litter front, the same goes for Mrytle Avenue at LHR. The litter is bad; I'm not saying it's necessarily aviation enthusiasts causing it but adding to it doesn't create good feeling between us and the locals.
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 7:24 am

You would just piss on his crops??
Heck, I'd take my pants off, crouch down and start squeezing something out of my  butthead  in his field with a sign that says "Amsterdam Spotters were here!!"
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 7:28 am

/agrees with Willem  Wink
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 8:15 am

The land is private property for christ sake. There should not be a need for signs, but apparently there is. You might want to consider that we are trampling over his field. This is not a field owned by the city councel like the field between the S apron and the official spotter site.

Also, his fields are his livelyhood. Of course most of the spotters here will stay close to the embankment and (just) out of the field. But there are many people that just stand in the field, thereby ruining crops.

His reaction may have been out of proportion, but let's not pretend to be completely innocent!


p.s. yes I come from the achterhoek but don't you dare use that against me!  Smile
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 8:25 am

Having 20 photographers at the same time on your land (although they may be at the edge) will damage this man's crop. I don't defend his aggresive attitude. But what's wrong with staying on the road (very clearly visible in the UA shot)?

Nick, I am glad for you that you didn't break your camera, but I am not surprised he came at you. You say you were more to the right, so actually standing in his land and not on the road. This way you give the guy a reason to be upset.

I understand perfectly well that you are looking for the best spot, but for crying out loud let's use our common sense and prevent the entire place from being fenced off. Stay on the road and you and your shots will be fine. Unfortunately now the sign is there he will use this argument to get us off the road also.

If we (read every photographer in AMS) don't/cannot think about their actions, we are on a very nice path to destroying our photo spots in AMS.

Especially when pissing contests become popular on this forum.
Think about this: you are pissing on the potatoes that you'll eat tomorrow

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 2:14 pm

Quoting B076 (Reply 18):
Quoting IL76 (Reply 15):
Next time someone goes to this spot, can he bring one of those big Edding markers and write on that particular sign: "BEWARE OF MAD FARMER!" and draw a pitchfork in its hand?

That was also come up in my mind ,and for sure I am gonna do that(hope someone is not before me)

LOL, be sure to take a picture of that!

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 2:24 pm

There are ways to get someone off your land if they are trespassing and his way was totally unacceptable. Ever hear about asking nicely if the photographer was aware that it's private property? He's lucky he didn't approach someone holding a gun that way.
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sat May 28, 2005 4:00 pm

Quoting PH-OTO (Reply 24):
Think about this: you are pissing on the potatoes that you'll eat tomorrow

Mmmm... you never wash your potatoes?  Smile Who knows what happened with them...


Kind regards,
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sun May 29, 2005 12:13 am

Hello,

I kind of agree with Willem and Martin over this, I have been
send away by the same farmer on two occasions last year, but
did have a chance to speak with him in a calm and normal way.

He did explain to me why he didn't want people in his land (in his
opinion they only attract other people and some of those people
are damaging his crops), I found out that he after he has harvested
his crops has a more tolerant attitude towards spotters (but
that was last year  Big grin )

Keep in mind that you are trespassing on his land and that he has a legal
right to keep us out of there.

Marinus.

P.S. On one occasion the Military Police also asked me to leave that
spot and to not return there again, just as they pulled away with
their car I quoted A. Schwarzennegger and whispered " I'll be back"
one of them heard me, looked me in the eye and left with a big grin
on his face  bigthumbsup  (they do have humor Big grin)
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sun May 29, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting Liamer (Reply 28):
I have been
send away by the same farmer on two occasions last year, but
did have a chance to speak with him in a calm and normal way.

Ha Ha... I don,t know Nick but I do know you Marinus.
I can understand he was calm and normal when he was face to face with you,I would be to.
I think that silly farmer was more afraid of you than you of him  Smile

But serious, I have no good words for this kind behaviour.
All we do is take some pictures.

But the last few weeks more and more spotters discovered this spot,and are not only standing on that small road.

But Nick why you need to go in that field!!
I believe you are the proud owner of a 100-400mm,so on the end of that small road you can make perfect shots.
I can show you photos the big birds are touching down right in front of you  Embarrassment

William
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sun May 29, 2005 7:58 am

William...

i have only gone there twice (in field) and first time was last week in early morning and this week...just very very bad luck as i usually indeed only go near the round-a-bout....Ah wel next time ill stay infront of the sign!

cheers

Nick
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Sun May 29, 2005 8:58 pm

Did anybody noticed the automated bird control device over there?



You know, this could be modified for photogs too....

 Wow!

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Mon May 30, 2005 1:48 am

Maybe instead of putting up a "front" for this farmer guy you could ask him what crops he sells and out of courtesy perhaps buy something of his (afterall you ARE on HIS land.)
I mean instead of trampling over his crop and leaving him with damages at least then he knows he could get some profit out of it and would be more "tolerable" to spotters who are going to buy something instead of just destroying it.
Its worth a try asking anyway, I say this because I live relatively in the country and can see the farmers P.O.V about people ruining his buisness, and afterall he only sells crops to make money, no crop means no money for him and his family, howd you feel if your "pay-packet" was suddenly taken away by someone else, its the same situation with him.

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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Mon May 30, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting Planespotterx (Reply 32):
would be more "tolerable" to spotters

Hmyeah... Of course being on a friendly pace with the man would be very nice, but unfortunately these aren't just local spotters walking around on his land. Even if 10 or 15 spotters would know about this man and keep to the (yet to be set) pact, there are also a whole lot of foreign spotters visiting AMS each day and sh*tloads of 'ordinary' people going for a day at the runway with their screaming children. These people won't know about the farmer and will just walk into the field when they see spotters who DO keep to the designated spot. I don't think teaming up with the farmer will work. Unless he builds a fence and only lets certain people on his land. I don't see that happening! He's got better things to do than playing policeman.

Ed
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:23 am

I somehow understand this farmer though he just overreacted in a foolish way. He probably has "spotters" by the hundred a week, and he´s just tired of them, tired of doing the same all over again (well, if you live near an "attraction" you shouldn´t wonder of spectators though, on the other hand). One is walking on his crops, another parking his car so he has problems to drive past, and others throw away cola-cans and the rest.
I grew up on a farm, and it can be less than fun if mindless sunday strollers just take a shortcut here or there and throw away their things. Its damaging property. Everyone should live under the live and let live rule. Too many are just damn stupid and don´t care (and I can´t believe every one on airliners.net is caring). And that are the people who never read signs, and think the world is a huge trash dump and don´t clean public toilets.
I never do that when taking pictures at airports (at Schiphol last week i.e.), - with the exception of ignoring the stupid no parking-sign near the US Forces recreation area at FRA.
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:34 am

"with the exception of ignoring the stupid no parking-sign near the US Forces recreation area at FRA"

Good luck, if the cops show up and your car is parked behind that sign, you will get a ticket!!!!
 
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RE: Farmer Attacking Me At Schiphol, 18R

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:07 am

Hahaha, wow, serious but funny stories. I haven't experienced something like that before but I did do something stupid. A few months ago I knew Kenya Airways was about to land in AMS with the 777 and I wanted to photograph the aircraft taxiing over the tunnel at the G-Pier. I knew there are also a lot of obstacles there so I decided to walk around and see if I could see a better spot and saw one on the side of the road that goes underneath that same tunnel (highway). After seeing almost everybody looking at me and shouting what I was doing there I decided to go back before the police would see me. Nobody stopped me but I had a very strong feeling I wasn't allowed to walk there.

The things that spotters do to get a decent shot of an aircraft....

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