airbusfanyyz
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Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:17 pm

Hi guys,

Just looking for your opinions on these BADMOTIV rejections please.
I would have figured my motivation would have been quite obvious?
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...to.main?filename=050508_C-FWBG.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...n?filename=050514_VP-CKXengine.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...to.main?filename=050512_N710UW.jpg
Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Kaz
 
QANTAS077
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:20 pm

the 2nd shot Kaz is bloody awesome! the first one you have all that crap in front of the 737 and the the last i am not so sure about either. i'd appeal the 2nd shot!
 
jumbojim747
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:59 pm

I second QANTAS007 remark that 2nd shot is a lovely one.
Im not too sure about the 3rd was it also rejected for badmotiv or might be some other reason.
Good luck with them KAZ
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cv63
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:01 pm

Kaz,

I agree with QANTAS077, the first one has too much ramp lice and tarmac.

I like the 2nd shot too. IMO If you crop out the wing and just leave more of the engine and seascape, it may pass the standard.  Wink

The third shot has a lot of reflection which would make it bad motive.

Regards,

Ken
 
CallMeCapt
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:04 pm

2nd photo, bad motiv because of all the background stuff. Truck, telegraph wires. To me, it looks too distracting. Similar to a bad motive rejection I got a few weeks ago. Nothing in front of the plane but too much fence in the foreground, even though it wasn't blocking the plane. I'll 3rd that opinion on the 2nd photo. Definitely appeal it.

Just had another look at the american airways. There's an odd look to it. The color doesn't match between the front half and the back half. Also, the metal "seam" doesn't line up.
What's the go there?

[Edited 2005-06-06 07:16:12]

[Edited 2005-06-06 07:19:41]
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BO__einG
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:39 pm

Sorry Kaz, but I would have to agree with the screeners that all three are indeed badmotive.
First shot has already been explained. Just not airliners.net material.
Second one is kinda nice because of the engine and the turquoise water, but the impression is "so what". Maybe a little more light like a fill flash may of highlighted the engine/rivets a bit more increasing the chances.
Third shot is mundane at best. Again better light could helped but its nothing special just some closeup of a plane lining up.
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CallMeCapt
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:58 pm

Have to disagree.
Have a look at this one.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/844990/L/

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Airplanepics
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:09 pm

All the pictures need some more sharpening aswell.
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Stealthz
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:31 pm

Quote:
Third shot is mundane at best. Again better light could helped but its nothing special just some closeup of a plane lining up.

I disagree, while perhaps not high art! The photo does illustrate things that have been discussed in this and other forums, eg the angle of the nose gear has been discussed but not illustrated well, the section join, Goran referred to. that is not easy to see most the time. I had to search many hundreds of my own photos to find something similar...(but not as clear)

http://www.pbase.com/chrisg/image/44398721.jpg

IMHO, there is a place here for these "illustrative" type shots

Regards

Chris
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Q330
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:18 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 8):
IMHO, there is a place here for these "illustrative" type shots

There certainly is a place for them... and there are plenty of them in the database already! Just search for A32X nose shots.

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flyingzacko
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:44 pm

Like others have said already, I think on the first should you wanna crop that 737 way tighter, unless your motivation was to get that hangar plus the 737, but then again the 737 is way too small in that picture. For that second shot I have to agree with Qantas332 since it is pretty awesome indeed. Great shot. And then for the third shot, I don't see why it would get badmotiv. It is clearly a noseshot, and what's bad about that motiv, I mean? I think for that one there must be a different reason for rejection. I think it's rather soft in some parts of the picture but you can probably fix that in Photoshop.

Cheers,

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airbusfanyyz
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:54 pm

Thanks for the responses everyone... The first and third ones I'm sorta indifferent about now because I will probably get similar angles in the future. The Cayman 732 engine shot I am still stunned about, I will appeal.

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 5):
Second one is kinda nice because of the engine and the turquoise water, but the impression is "so what"

Yeah I guess it's just not quite as exciting as a 50mm side-on.  sarcastic 

Cheers,
Kaz
 
BO__einG
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RE: Badmotiv....huh?

Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:09 am

Hey man, You got some great pictures (YYZ/SXM) and I am sure that you'll get plenty more plane picts added this year including similar shots like your third one.
Those three I felt were not your usual high quality shots. Plus like the third one it was all coudy and dull weather.
YOu can appeal them I guess but it will take like weeks before Johan sees them.
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