malandan
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Glider Registrations

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:35 pm

Can anyone please advise me as to where I may locate a list of glider registrations in the BGA series (British Glider association)?.

I have a photograph of BGA 4947 which I wish to identify.

Thanks,

Malcolm.
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willo
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RE: Glider Registrations

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:00 pm

This link appears to lead to a BGA register. It looks like they respond by email:

http://www.mrandmrshedgehog.co.uk/skymaster/bga/bga.asp

It may be worth a try.

Andrew
 
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RE: Glider Registrations

Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:04 pm

Hi all

I was using that link last night and works great when you punch in the correct info.

Punch in 3D under the Competitor Number and it will give you a type (I currently have it in the upload queue)

Edit: Sorry, just punched in your reg and it is not found as mentioned already  Sad

Regards

Gary

[Edited 2005-06-21 14:05:33]
 
malandan
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RE: Glider Registrations

Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:08 pm

Hi Andrew,

Slight delay in my response. Been reading the bloggs of Mr & Mrs Hedgehog!!!!!

I have emailed a request as the register failed to come up with anything.

Internally it carried the code Kilo Alpha Xray but I am unable to make anything of this.

Many thanks,

Malcolm.
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malandan
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RE: Glider Registrations

Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:10 pm

Thanks for trying, Gary.

Malcolm.
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RE: Glider Registrations

Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:50 am

Here's the directory of all the gliding clubs in the UK. Perhaps if you sent an email request to the relevant club, they could provide you with the info you are seeking.

Steve

http://www.gliding.co.uk/findaclub/clubdirectory.htm
 
malandan
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RE: Glider Registrations

Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:55 pm

Thanks, Steve.

Have sent an email to the club secretary so now have two possibilities of finding the information I need.

Malcolm.
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RE: Glider Registrations

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:09 am

Malcolm

KAX is a Glaser-Dirks DG-500 20-meetre sailplane.

Alan
 
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RE: Glider Registrations

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:46 pm

Quoting Cosmicwind (Reply 7):
KAX is a Glaser-Dirks DG-500 20-metre sailplane.

Thanks Alan, much appreciated.

May I ask how you know? It is likely that the same difficulty may occur in the future and also it's possible that some other members may also be interested.

Malcolm.
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RE: Glider Registrations

Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:49 am

Malcolm,

A bit late, but:

BGA 4947 (Trigraph serial KAX) is a Glaser-Dirks DG-505 Orion. Chassis number is 5E229X67. There is also a small fleck of paint missing near the nose (only joking!).

Source: Air Britain Civil Registers of United Kingdom & Ireland 2003.

I recommend you buy this years version. It is expensive (the 2003 issue was £22) but well worth it and I make it last 3 years before getting the next one (so I'll buy the 2006 issue). Air Britain do some excellent books on this sort of stuff.

Best regards,

Jim
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malandan
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RE: Glider Registrations

Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 9):
BGA 4947 (Trigraph serial KAX) is a Glaser-Dirks DG-505 Orion.

Jim, you're a winner in my book.

Just had an email from the gliding club secretary and the only difference is that he refers to KAX as being the tail code.
Apparently this aircraft has a glide ratio of 40 - one mile up and it will glide for 40 miles -plenty of time to locate a suitable field!
Also has detachable winglets enabling it to be used aerobatically or cross country. Quite a bird!
I have two cockpit shots, one for each seat, which I may upload.

Your advice is most appreciated.

Malcolm.
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RE: Glider Registrations

Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:18 am

For those confused by British Glider registrations, a brief description may be in order.

Generally, they do not carry G-xxxx registrations although they can do, I have seen one once. Some have also had military registrations too.

The main glider register is arranged in order of the BGA number, which is a numerical sequence that refers to the gliders certificate of airworthiness, for example BGA 4947. This can usually be found somewhere on the tailplane, in relatively small letters. I prefer to organise my data on UK gliders using this as the prime reference, you'll see why in a minute.  Smile

Also issued is a three letter code, often but not always, carried on the airframe, usually in relatively large letters. For the glider in question, this code is KAX. Like the BGA number, these codes, if visible, are reliable airframe identifiers.

Not all gliders carry their three letter code and may instead carry a numerical or alpha numerical code, for example 876 or N4. These are competition numbers and although often carried on airframes, they are actually issued to pilots, not aircraft. They are also often changed so beware! They are not reliable identifiers of an airframe. The pilot may obtain a different glider and take his number with him. The number may remain on the old glider so there could be two or more gliders with the same sequence on the tail, although this is not that common.

In short, only the G-xxxx registration (typically older gliders only), military reg (for 'warbird' gliders), BGA number or the three letter code can be relied upon as a definitive identifier for an airframe. Beware of the numerical/alphanumerical codes!

For Airliners.net use, I personally use the BGA number as the registration as it is the closest thing to a typical aircraft registration (i.e. unique and logical). I use the three letter code or other visible codes for the 'Code' field. Hope this meets with approval from the screeners!

If it helps, have a look at these two examples:


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On the tail of '264, just under the stabiliser, you can make out a line in the same colour as the numbers 264 - that is the BGA number, but you can't actually read it in that photo.

Other countries seem to have a less confusing system than us Brits!

Best regards,

Jim
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RE: Glider Registrations

Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:35 am

Somewhat eccentric way for the British to register and number their gliders, but who minds as long as we more great soaring images on A.net.

Steve
 
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RE: Glider Registrations

Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:44 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 11):
For those confused by British Glider registrations,

That's me Jim for sure!

Great to find an expert when you need one.

Thanks once again.

Malcolm.
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RE: Glider Registrations

Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:53 pm

Hi all

I received a mail from Peter V and Joachim (editing team) on upload info for gliders as I was a little unsure and didn't want my uploaded stuff to be rejected for badinfo  Smile

If you need a copy of the mail, give me a shout.

Regards

Gary

[Edited 2005-06-24 10:54:40]

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