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More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:12 am

Got this rejected for badinfo, badpersonal , badcameraangle and badcategory. The badpersonal says "civil reg = Warbird. Military reg should be listed as military airline"

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/ley_270505_e18.jpg

I had it down as warbird and preserved. The serial number on the aircraft is 22429 and that is all I know about it. Any clues to its identity would be appreciated.

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:40 am

badpersonal was from me ( nothing personal!  Smile ). To expand on my brief message:

If it's an airworthy Warbird, then it should be listed with the civil reg in the registration field and "Untitled" in the airline field.

If it's a preserved ex-US Army aircraft, then it should be listed with the military reg in the registration field and "US - Army" in the airline field.

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:45 am

Thanks Tamsin.
Sadly I don't know which one it is as the only thing I know is the serial number I put down. Hopefully someone will put me right.

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:57 am

Is it G-BKRG, under restoration at Aviodome?

Looks a lot like (although certainly not identical to): F-AZEJ

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:04 am

Derek,

As Tamsin suggests, this is indeed the former G-BKRG.

Quoting DerekF (Thread starter):
The serial number on the aircraft is 22429

Where was this number on the aircraft? Military serials, fake or otherwise, are usually painted on the tail, but that's not the case here. Last thing I know is that it was without serial.

Aad.

[Edited 2005-07-20 22:30:22]
 
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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:31 am

Thanks for that folks. The number was painted just ahead of the tailplane on the fuselage side. You can just about make it out in my rejected photo. It does indeed look like F-AZEJ but with subtle differences. The aircraft is visible at the bottom right of this photo next to hangar.


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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:33 am

Apologies, I just noticed the serial 22429 is visible in your photo, albeit barely. It is clearly representing a military serial. I will get you the correct info for this one, but it will take some searching in the books.

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 3):
under restoration at Aviodome

Tamsin, Aviodome is the old name, the museum is now called Aviodrome. It was renamed when it re-opened at Lelystad in November 2003.

Aad.

Edit: Derek, I really have to learn to be a bit faster...

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:43 pm

Derek,

I've got the info for your photo for you.

The problem with this aircraft was that the registration G-BKRG is no longer valid, it was de-registered way back in 1998. That means this is not a warbird (warbirds need to have a current civil registration). It therefore has to be entered into the database as a military aircraft.

The serial is fake. It represents 42-2429, which was a Beech AT-7 Navigator during the war years. This is an early version of the Beech 18.

The aircraft in your photo is in reality the former 51-11665, which was originally a Beech C-45G Expeditor with cn AF-222. It was later converted to a C-45H.

Putting all this together, this is the info your photo needs:

Aircraft Generic type: Beech 18 (C-45/AT-11/JRB/SNB)
Aircraft Version: Beech C-45H
Airline: USA - Air Force
Registration: 42-2429
Cn: AF-222
Code: V
Remark: Whatever you want of course, but please make it clear that the serial is fake, representing an AT-7, and that it is actually the former G-BKRG, 51-11665. It's also a very good thing (almost compulsory) to mention the name of the museum in your remark, for people who do searches on that.

Categories: MILITARY, PRESERVED, CLASSIC

By the way, the engines of this aircraft were removed, and used for the restoration of Beech 18 G-BKRN. Your photo clearly shows the faked replacement engines. Also, this aircraft was used in the James Bond film "Octopussy" in 1983, painted as "VN75WB" (it was registered as N75WB at the time). You may or may not want to mention these things in the remark...

It sure is a nice Beech...  Smile

Hope this helps,

Aad.
 
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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:22 pm

Thanks very much Aad for all the gen. It is appreciated. I'll try and get it level this time!

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:46 pm

I bow to Aad's superior knowledge, heck he can even teach me to spell  Wink

But... Isn't it "USA - Army" not "USA - Air Force"?

Perhaps I'm wrong again?!!!

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:23 am

Hi Tamsin,

Confusing old and new names is not a spelling mistake. Can't be, because I am told you never make spelling mistakes... Wink

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 9):
Isn't it "USA - Army" not "USA - Air Force"?

Well, no. There was no US Army until 18 September 1947. Prior to that Army and Air Force were together as US Army Air Force. And since this Beech is representing a war-time aircraft...

The best choice would thus be USA - Army Air Force, but there is no such entry. So we use USA - Air Force, which is somewhat of a generic choice for military organisations without a separate entry.

Does this help?

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RE: More Badinfo Help Needed

Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:40 am

Well, never too old to learn something new!

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