INNflight
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Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:31 am

Hello all,

Due to having some opportuneties for flt deck photos in the next few weeks I already took a few test shots last week. I'm perfectly familiar with fill flash so that in- and outside are visible, etc....

...but one thing that I never seem to get right are the LCD screens.
If you have a look at the photo linked below, you will recognize that the in- aswell as the outside are correctly exposed, with fill flash. Just the LCD's are almost pitch black.

http://www.pbase.com/ftrojer/image/46489723

I never managed to get the data on them correctly visible during daylight, no matter what mode I shot with.

Any help from more experienced members with flight deck photography would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Florian
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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:51 am

Hey Florian

I can't see the picture , I need a password to enter the site !


Regards

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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting Tom3 (Reply 1):
I need a password to enter the site !

Oops sorry Tom, should work now. My bad.
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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:15 am

Florian,

I still can't see the picture.

However, from what you say, I think the answer is pretty simple. Any head-on flash will blackout the LCDs. Simple solution for that is to bounce an external flash off the ceiling for the fill and proper exposure...if you have an external flash, that is.

Another option is to forget the flash all together and shoot with the ambient light. Might be tricky to get the proper exposure (no question as to getting the LCDs to show, they will), but you might come away lucky if you meter on the outside (lock) and focus/shoot the inside.

The panel may be a tad dark if the exterior and interior contrast too much, but it just about worked for me one morning so it can't be THAT bad.  
http://nycaviation.com/pichost/0933.2_ATA738_N333TZ_LGAcockpit_BF.jpg

Maybe try treating it like a backlit shot and throw some exposure compensation in there.


Good luck,

Brian

[Edited 2005-07-20 22:16:12]
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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:28 am

Thanks a lot Brian, seems like this has been my problem so far... I only shot with the inbuilt flash from the camera.

cheers,
Florian
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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:42 am

Florian,

seems that you are not that familiar with flash afterall.
Flash photography is very tricky and takes a lot of practise to get decent results. Nowadays with all those Digital cameras around, it has become a lot easier.
Trial and error.......

For night stuff I would stay away from flash at all, it just ruines the atmosphere, unless you know how to use the flash to your advantage.

Brian's picture is an excellent example how a good flight deck shots looks like.

Btw....bracketing is another option to get the results you want!

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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 5):
Flash photography is very tricky and takes a lot of practise to get decent results.

You're right of course, thanks. As I said, I don't have a flash yet, just the one in my camera. Didn't need it a lot so far.

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 5):
For night stuff I would stay away from flash at all, it just ruines the atmosphere

Definitely my opinion, as I said, I was asking for daylight advice only.

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 5):
Btw....bracketing is another option to get the results you want!

Can you elaborate this? I've no idea what you mean... Sorry.
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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 5):
For night stuff I would stay away from flash at all, it just ruines the atmosphere...

Exactly. I'd practice a lot without the flash...once you nail it, the shots are absolutely incredible (NOT speaking from personal experience!). Although I have seen some great bounced-flash shots from Wietse (or is it Wieste? ) and others...

Try it both ways, that's your best bet. If worst comes to worst, just clone some LCD screens from another shot and you're set.

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 5):
Brian's picture is an excellent example how a good flight deck shots looks like.

Tell that to the screeners!

Quoting INNflight (Reply 6):
Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 5):
Btw....bracketing is another option to get the results you want!

Can you elaborate this? I've no idea what you mean... Sorry.

There's a feature, AEB (Auto Exposure Bracket) where the camera will take/save the image three times, in three varying exposures (ie: -1, 0, +1).


Brian

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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting Futterman (Reply 7):
There's a feature, AEB (Auto Exposure Bracket) where the camera will take/save the image three times, in three varying exposures (ie: -1, 0, +1).

Aah yes, know what you mean. Couldn't figure out what he meant by 'bracketing'. Thanks!

Florian
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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:38 am

Florian, but an external flash! You will not regret it. Especially for non-av stuff it's essential, especially if you own L shortzooms.

I prefer to take cockpits that have lcd screens it them at night without a flash. A flash is great though for daylight shots of analog cockpits.

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RE: Flight Deck Photography Help Needed Please

Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:06 pm

If you shoot in RAW you'll have about a 4 stop exposure adjustment and complete white balance variation available in post-processing, as you no doubt know. Might be useful.....

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