LHRSIMON
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All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:27 pm

Well after i got me new equipment and learnt PS i had turned round my rejection rate from about 50% pass to 90%.

All of a sudden im getting everything rejected. Out of the last 5 all 5 have been binned. Now i self screen everything and im pretty hard on myself so im very surprised.

Can any of you guys confirm why for example this got bad quality. Im a bit baffled.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../LH-CRJ-DACPB-26032005-LHR-SJC.jpg

Cheers
Simon C
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:38 pm

what happened to crane on tail????
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:41 pm

Simon,

Apart from the tail can I suggest you check the histogram in levels. The shot looks a bit washed out but if you check in levels there is quite a bit of flat line at either end of the histogram.

Just my thought.

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:50 pm

Simon,

Although I did not see this shot, I did reject some of your shots because they were quite oversharpened. Everything contrasty had a heavy "silver lining" around it. I think I put a personal message in the rejection of those (GA-aircraft).
Looking at this CRJ on a very soft CRT-monitor in my office, I still see artifacts of sharpening, especially around the engine, wing and titles.
My advice would be to try to go easier on the sharpening with your next uploads.

Cheers,
Eduard
 
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:51 pm

Tomislav,

The Crane is still there, but obscured by the engine. What youre seeing is the radio antenna above it:-


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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:54 pm

Hi Simon,

Also on my screen looks pretty oversharpened.

Good luck!

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:58 pm

Quoting 9A-CRO (Reply 1):
what happened to crane on tail????

Its behind the engine. I checked the unedited pictures to make sure. Its just the angle.  Smile

Quoting Norfolkjohn (Reply 2):
Apart from the tail can I suggest you check the histogram in levels. The shot looks a bit washed out but if you check in levels there is quite a bit of flat line at either end of the histogram

Checked the Histo and all is ok. For my edit's i prefer not so much contrast. I just prefer that style. Its not been a problem in the past and i have hundred of other pictures edited this way. I feel it brings out more detail in the shadow etc etc..... As i said it's not been a problem in the past. For example.


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Sorry to be a pain in the butt everyone but im on 5 days holiday now and HAD planned a mega edit/download. So i need to sort this out otherwise my reject % is going to go through the floor  Sad


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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:09 pm

Thanks guys..... So its kick the USM down a bit. I have to admit i do try to get images pin sharp.... Maybe im overdoing it a bit.. Maybe one less kick off 100.

Eduard : Yes i did get the message Big grin All this lot were already in the que though. I was more worried in general. Most of the rejects have been badlevel,jaggies etc etc.... But all of a sudden i was getting the dreded "Badquality"...

Cheers all
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:10 pm

Simon

Oversharpened.

Did you also place a mask around the aircraft? Strange effects around the wheels looking as if some sort of enhancement did not quite work out all the way.

Regards

Gary
 
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:02 pm

Thanks Gary. From everyones comments im now cutting a sweep of USM from my normal workflow....

Regarding the Mask. Not that i recall. My normal trick when screwing up a picture is using layers for sharpening then forgetting to flatten them before changing contrast/brightness etc etc. I normally notice it before any upload though. Maybe i did it this time on the wheel. Oh well its one to go into the re-edit folder !!  Smile

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:06 am

Hey Simon,
Totally take this as a compliment, but it is so nice to hear good photographers complain about having problems with rejections. It makes me feel not alone, and more proud every time one of my photos is added. Good luck in the future, keep up the good work.
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting LHRSIMON (Thread starter):

Can any of you guys confirm why for example this got bad quality. Im a bit baffled.

one of Gary's 500 random rejects...his dog screened this one.
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting LHRSIMON (Thread starter):
All of a sudden im getting everything rejected. Out of the last 5 all 5 have been binned

Im afraid its one thing you'll have to get used to ... your not on your own , i keep getting asked by people " whats going on at AN ? "

I dont have the answer im sorry ...

You may think im out of line here but the way i see it is there is none if very little input or feedback from anyone ... not sure if the crew have been given orders or not but i see a vast difference from when i was screening.

Gone are the days when you'd get any help or positive response for any rejection , as an example ... i just got a reject fair enough for bad category .... but ... when i was screening and i saw something like that i would change it simple enough ... the request on appeal subsequently was ignored and the appeal rejected too ... ahh well life does after all still go on

I think its just one of those simple things in life we have to ignore and get on with things

Now im not asking that i for example should have preferential treatment in any way shape or form .... but there SHOULD be a little more reality in the screening process after all 2 seconds or so added to screening a picture will not cause a massive backlog.

Im seeing a lot of negativity here which should not be happening ... but to be honest i can see why  Sad

that really is it from me

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:45 am

Tony,

They're between a rock and a hard place though, aren't they? There's pressure from contributors for the waiting time (therefore the queue) to be kept to a minimum.

I think the general stance is "We'll screen the pictures, you're big enough and smart enough to figure out what's wrong where we reject them."

That being said, most screeners will offer specific help if you ask, in my own experience.

The only frustration I get is that the standards do sometimes feel like a moving target.

Cheers


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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:47 pm

Quoting VIR380 (Reply 12):
Gone are the days when you'd get any help or positive response for any rejection

I think that's a little unjust, given that two different screeners have offered positive assistance in the early replies to this thread.

I think we're all agreed that (some of) Simon's shots need the shadow areas to be darker, and a little less sharpening.

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:55 pm

Hi all

Agree with Tamsin on Tony's comments.

There is a horrendous amount of stuff, good and bad, being uploaded and personal rejection reasons take time. All screeners are encouraged to add comments (as Tony will confirm) but this cannot happen 100% of the time.

Screeners are working flat out but have to say the number of uploads per day far outweight the amount being screened. We cannot go any faster.

Comments have been made about Simon's image and he has taken those onboard.

Regards

Gary
 
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:12 pm

I have to be honest and say i have found the screeners very helpfull.  Smile Though i do know of a few people who have requested help and not been so lucky. As others have said its all down to time. Screening hundreds of photo's means you cannot answer all of them.... Its just the badquality rejection that does my head in , as it tells you nothing. If i had got bad contrast + bad jagged i would have been find and understood the problem.

Im a bit happier today as i got a couple into the DB with just a rejection which was this one.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...BD-A321-GMIDL-26032005-LHR-SJC.jpg

I have to say i thought this one was a bit of a hard rejection also... But oh well  Smile

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:26 pm

Simon

Same with the last image.......oversharpened and some fringing.

What camera are you using again?

Regards

Gary
 
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:47 pm

Simon,

Did I read somewhere that you are now using L glass?

When I upgraded from 75-300 to 100-400L, I started getting loads of rejections for oversharpened, although I was using the same PS settings as for the 75-300.

Had to back off on PS unsharp mask a bit. Probably guilty of trying to get them TOO sharp with the new lens.

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:55 pm

I've found with the 70-200 F4 & the 100-400 that in terms of pound-for-pound sharpness that these lenses can achieve, they're not that different to a consumer model.

However, where they really shine is in consistency, contrast and colour. It's easier to get nice results with them.

The 70-200 2.8 and 300mm F4 do seem something else though..very nice results.


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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 16):
I have to say i thought this one was a bit of a hard rejection also... But oh well

Again, a lack of contrast here, which also makes sharpening more difficult.

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:06 pm

I would say oversharpened and a little flat. Try to give them some more pop and a little less sharpening pass! Big grin

Good luck!

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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:34 am

Sorry guys. I had been out taking a few photo's at Elstress & Stapleford.  Smile

Quoting Granite (Reply 17):
What camera are you using again?

Hi Gary. Im using a 20D. BTW i never use auto. Alway try to get between 1/320 & 1/500. ISO 100 OR 200. F/8.0 if possible.

As for all the other replies. They all seem to confirm that i need to cut down on USM and a little more + on the contrast..

Cheers all
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RE: All Of A Sudden Im Getting Everything Rejected

Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:45 am

Simon

Definitely something wrong with your post processing.

I'd love to see the original  Smile

Regards

Gary

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