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What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:37 pm

Hi everyone,

I know a lot of the a.net photographers use the Canon 75-300 USM (IS). And then there is a huge amount of people using the Canon 70-200 L USM (IS). I would even say, almost all of the Canon Photographers here have either one of these lenses. The price difference between these two pieces of glass however is major. The 75-300 USM without the IS can be bought for about 200-250 Euros. The 70-200 L USM without IS can be bought as the f4 version for about 600 Euros, and the f2.8 version for a lot more than that. And then the IS version of the 70-200 L USM f2.8 is about 1500 - 1600 Euros. Another lens to talk about might be the 70-300 DO IS USM which is about 1100 - 1200 Euros. I was at a photo store in Stuttgart about 3 weeks ago and I tried out the 70-200 L, both with IS and without and I totally fell in love with it. Now I just wanting to ask the most knowledgeable group of aviation photographers which lens they thought everyone should own and why.

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:47 pm

Quoting FlyingZacko (Thread starter):
What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?



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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:53 pm

If you're shooting Nikon, then the 70-200VR f/2.8 is the daddy.
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:55 pm

"What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?"

In what sense? Quality? Range? Size? Price? # sold?

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:57 pm

Gary,

is that the Canon 1200mm that is supposed to be about 105,000 Euros (That's what www.canon.de says) ?

Scbriml,

that would be like the Canon 70-200 L USM IS f/2.8 then.
Sorry for not including any Nikon lenses, but I don't know anything about them.
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:59 pm

Eduard,

what I meant, but didn't quite clearly express I guess, was which lens is worth its price the most? I mean, I am wondering whether or not it is worth spending the money on the Canon L series and alike. So pretty much I wanna know which lens produces the best quality versus its price.

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting FlyingZacko (Reply 5):
So pretty much I wanna know which lens produces the best quality versus its price.

Hmm... that 1200 f5.6 doesn't make any sense then.  Smile
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Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:05 pm

Best quality/price ratio is probably the 17-40 f/4.0L and 70-200 f/4.0L

Quoting FlyingZacko (Reply 5):
I mean, I am wondering whether or not it is worth spending the money on the Canon L series and alike

Without a doubt YES! Be careful though, L glass is addictive Wink

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 2):
If you're shooting Nikon, then the 70-200VR f/2.8 is the daddy.

The 200-400 f4 VR ain't half bad either *drool*
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Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:14 pm

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 8):
The 200-400 f4 VR ain't half bad either *drool*

Yes, I somewhat covet that lens as well.  yummy 

However, at the price I don't think I could ever explain it to my wife or the bank manager. Then again, if I can just get the right six numbers on Saturday...  scratchchin 
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:19 pm

For the price, the 70-200 f/4 wins hands down.
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Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 10):
For the price, the 70-200 f/4 wins hands down.

I have to agree 100% with Eric (DLKAPA) - bank for your buck it has to be the Canon 70-200mm F4 L - I have one and it's a great little lens!  bigthumbsup 

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Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:46 pm

I would go with the 70-200 L IS USM F/2.8

Pin sharp through the range , and very fast AF. Good in low light (indoor sports etc etc) due to the f/2.8. IS available for low shutter photo's panning etc etc. And superb build quality. Yes its expensive (appx £1200.00) but it can fill 70% of all your needs. IMHO its the daddy by a mile !!!

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Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:52 pm

Well I have to say that for versatility alone the 35-350mm L from Canon takes some beating. Such a shame they don't make it any more but you do see a few on the second hand market every now and then.
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:54 am

Agree with Simon, Canon's 70-200/f2.8 is the lens that comes in my mind.
However the one I have is a non-IS. Besides not counting the obvious advantages in handheld & light situations, the non-IS version is a tad bit superior (lens construction wise) I cannot find the thread on photo.net but non IS have fewer elements than their IS counterparts making them a bit better (this applies to Nikon's VR and the other brands).
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:05 am

any self-respecting photog must have a 70(or 80)-200 f/2.8 in their bag.
 
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting FlyingZacko (Thread starter):
I would even say, almost all of the Canon Photographers here have either one of these lenses.

ummm.... no!  box 

In terms of bang for buck then the BIGMA, AKA Sigma 50-500 EX pushes all the right buttons for me... just wish Sigma would hurry up and put the damned OS on it!  Wink

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Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:42 am

Quoting Manzoori (Reply 16):
ummm.... no!   

In terms of bang for buck then the BIGMA, AKA Sigma 50-500 EX pushes all the right buttons for me... just wish Sigma would hurry up and put the damned OS on it!  

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I agree 100% I went out and used it last saturday and discovered just how sharp it is again. Love my bigma.
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:02 am

The mother of all lenses is w/o a doubt the Canon 600mm f4 L IS!

The price for the 1200mm f5.6 is about 60.000 EUR.

Back to your question:

If you have the choice between the IS and non IS, go for the IS version. It might be a little bit more expensive but from personal experience I can tell you the IS is worth every penny. I own the 70-200 f2.8 L IS and what a sweet lens that is!

f2.8 all the way, if money is not the issue.
Joe Pries (some of you guys don't know him) said it once and many other great photographers before him.....do it right and buy once. You will not regret it. The resell value is much higher too!

But where are you able to pick up a 70-200 f2.8 IS in Germany for under 1600 EUR? I did a quick check at various online stores and the price for it is between 1700 and 1900 EUR.

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Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 18):
But where are you able to pick up a 70-200 f2.8 IS in Germany for under 1600 EUR? I did a quick check at various online stores and the price for it is between 1700 and 1900 EUR.

Are you a reborn Canonian now, Vasco? Come on, you can tell ... Big grin
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:04 am

Vasco, I've got a little variation on Joe's phrase there, it goes like this, "By cheap, buy twice!". Anyways, from a spotter/photog standpoint, then, if it's Canon they're after, I'd have to say the 100-400mm L IS USM. Both for the range and the quality. OK, it's f5.6 stretched out, but if the light's right, oh la la! Yeah, I'd go for the 100-400. I haven't tried the 200 with the TC on, it's supposed to out-do the 100-400 all the way. But I have the 100-400 and won't be investing in anything else right now. The 17-40mm f4L USM is a very very good lens too, as Tim pointed out. (I use a 20D BTW).
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:13 am

Agree with Spencer with regards the 17-40 L F/4.0 USM. As a general about town/family/close up airfield lens. Very very good for limited range...

Can i also add that the 135 mm F/2.0 L USM is the sharpest and quickest lens i have ever owned. Even beats the 70-200 L IS USM f/2.8. But its let down for the obvious reason , Range and flexibility !!!! So the 70-200 wins !!

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:26 am

The 70-200 L f/4 is fantastic and slap an extender on it and you've got great stuff.

But.....

I bought the 100-400 IS L in March and the 70-200 has been in my bag ever since. I simply needed the distance and the IS.

But if money is an issue, I'd go the 70/200 w/extender route.
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:24 am

Mmmmmm 500F4 shortly followed bythe 300F2.8.
500 is light enough to hand hold and easily potable with enough length toget killer images at any airport no matter how far away you are.

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Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:31 am

500mm is totally not practical.

You just going to keep it in your car
 
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:54 am

WHat car i had to sell it to buy the 500 Big grin

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Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:57 am

The 400mm f2.8L IS USM is an absolute beast!

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Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:08 am

Yea i almost put my shoulder out trying to hand hold that monster at an F18 display.
I think i walked crooked for about 3 days afterwards!!
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:32 am

Not for aviation photography but this is the lens I lust after;

the fastest 35mm lens in current production the leica noctilux M 50mm f/1 asph - $3,595
you can shoot unobtrusive night shots without a flash.
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:55 am

now that is fast glass!
 
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:37 pm

Holycrap! An f/1 lens!!
I've never seen anything like that. Unbelivable..

For me I like the 80-200 ED lens of Nikon. The VR version is better but much pricier. However I hear you can achieve the same results of VR if using a tripod or better yet, a monopod for aviation shooting. I understand the VR's main purpose seems to be with getting low light shots with less effort. So you can shoot at 1/15 or so and the gizmos inside it will stabilize the lens and allow you to pull off a nice slow exposure shot.

I also like the 200-400mm f/4 Nikkor ED glass with VR..
Here, that monster is around 5,000 bucks. On the good note you can rent it for a day for like 100 bucks at some camera stores. Useful for those daytrips to the airshow.

I am also curious to Canon's 28-300mm lens. It is white lens body and f-stop is something like f/4-5.6 or maybe a 2.8? I don't hear any photographers here using this particular lens... As well as that beasty 1200mm..  Smile
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:16 pm

How big is that F1??
Doesn't look much larger than a normal 50 and F1 would be amazing for street shots etc.
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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:14 pm

Quoting Bo__einG (Reply 30):
I am also curious to Canon's 28-300mm lens. It is white lens body and f-stop is something like f/4-5.6 or maybe a 2.8? I don't hear any photographers here using this particular lens...

As a matter of fact I recall seeing photos from FRA in the db taken by someone using Canon's 28-300mm lens.


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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:06 pm

Canon has a 50mm f1.0, so it's not that special:

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting 7FTwinOtter (Reply 28):
Not for aviation photography but this is the lens I lust after;

the fastest 35mm lens in current production the leica noctilux M 50mm f/1 asph - $3,595
you can shoot unobtrusive night shots without a flash.
some day

I have used the Noctilux on an M6 and it's a nice bit of glass but totally impractical for shooting day to day stuff. Just like the canon 50mmF1.0L. Thay are both VERY fast, but after F2 they both suck and are very soft. Now.... if we are going to talk Rangefinder lenses then i would take the Leica 35mmF1.4, then a Zeiss 180F2APO and then top it off with... a zeiss 90mmF2.0APO!

I love fast exotic glass!

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:11 pm

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 34):
I have used the Noctilux on an M6 and it's a nice bit of glass but totally impractical for shooting day to day stuff. Just like the canon 50mmF1.0L. Thay are both VERY fast, but after F2 they both suck and are very soft. Now.... if we are going to talk Rangefinder lenses then i would take the Leica 35mmF1.4, then a Zeiss 180F2APO and then top it off with... a zeiss 90mmF2.0APO!

I love fast exotic glass!

Chris

Nice to see a rangefinder fan, i have a 35mm f/2.5 color scopar on my bessa R, that is a cracking lense for the money. i have no experience with leica glass apart from a old 90mm f/4 elmar that i use. I dream of buying a new M before leica folds.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:54 am

I forgot about these, made in solid gold for the sultan of Brunai, they are selling a pair comprising of a Leica 35mm F1.4 summilux and a 50mm F2 Summicron all for $50,000. Both are lovely lens designs but talk about vulgar.
 
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Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting 7FTwinOtter (Reply 35):
Nice to see a rangefinder fan, i have a 35mm f/2.5 color scopar on my bessa R, that is a cracking lense for the money. i have no experience with leica glass apart from a old 90mm f/4 elmar that i use. I dream of buying a new M before leica folds.

Leica wont fold, the delay of release of the module R has hindered their profit margins this year, the module had significant R+D costs which have yet to be recouped, once the back is out and the distribution channels are sorted then i can see leica posting profits. I reckon by Q2/3 of 06 they will be back in the green!

I do love a good rangefinder, a hassy xpan II is on my list of bits to get right now, that and an M6TTL. The new MP is nice but it's not really that appealing to me. The M7 is also nice but i prefer the look and feel of the M6. I had a M4 a while back but it sat unused for about 2 years so i sold it to fund something else, i do regret that, but luckily it was my Dad who bought it so i can still use it now and then!

The bessa is a very nice camera, i have spent many an hour browsing the robert white site looking at the bessa bits and bobs, they do some VERY nice glass too!

Quoting 7FTwinOtter (Reply 36):
I forgot about these, made in solid gold for the sultan of Brunai, they are selling a pair comprising of a Leica 35mm F1.4 summilux and a 50mm F2 Summicron all for $50,000. Both are lovely lens designs but talk about vulgar.

They really are ugly arnt they! I would feel like a right tit walking around with them on the front of my camera!

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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:45 pm

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 37):
Leica wont fold, the delay of release of the module R has hindered their profit margins this year, the module had significant R+D costs which have yet to be recouped, once the back is out and the distribution channels are sorted then i can see leica posting profits. I reckon by Q2/3 of 06 they will be back in the green!

I don't foresee a large market for the digital R module, I would say the same about the much hyped digital M. I do think a small very high quality interchangeable digital reportage camera with some manual and some auto controls would be a great tool for the modern photo-journalist, but think most will stick solely to there DSLR's. The subtlety that a small camera brings seems to be an under appreciated virtue in photo-journalism.

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 37):
I do love a good rangefinder, a hassy xpan II is on my list of bits to get right now, that and an M6TTL. The new MP is nice but it's not really that appealing to me. The M7 is also nice but i prefer the look and feel of the M6. I had a M4 a while back but it sat unused for about 2 years so i sold it to fund something else, i do regret that, but luckily it was my Dad who bought it so i can still use it now and then!

The bessa is a very nice camera, I have spent many an hour browsing the robert white site looking at the bessa bits and bobs, they do some VERY nice glass too!

if i had the cash, I would get a black MP alacarte with an M7 winder and rewinder, i guess it look somewhat like an M4 with a meter. If you are interested in rangefinders check out this site http://www.cameraquest.com , this is the guy i bought my R from.


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RE: What Is The Lens Of All Lenses?

Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:59 am

The Canon 500mm F/4 L IS is the perfect big prime IMO. Even with the 1.4x extender you get pin sharp images. I have used the Canon 400mm F/2.8 L IS on several occasions in the past, its a great lens, just a pain to lug around at an airshow and the Canon 600mm F/4 L IS weighs the same.

In a couple months Ill be able to  checkmark  the 500 off my list (finally!).

Ive only taken a few shots with a some friends 70-200mm F/2.8 L IS. For obvious reasons, its the lens to have in the bag. The F/4 L is doing just fine for me in the meantime.

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