IL76
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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:27 pm

Martijn,

Which camera do you use? I'm amazed by the amount of chromatic abberation.
BTW, forget about the SQ shot, it's blurry. The others look ok (aside the chrom. abb.)

cheers,
Eduard
 
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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting Varig767 (Thread starter):
Is this how Neatimage should be applied?

I dont get why people allways want to use Neatimage as afterwork on their picture. Neatimage is for shots , which have been taken with high ISO !!! Thats it, not more or less. In my opinion as soon as you use Neatimage on a normal shot, the picture gets ruined.

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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:51 pm

Hi Martijn,

Nice shots you have there!
From what I see from you photos, I think the problem could be your camera. Like Eduard already said, there is a huge amount of chromatic abberation.
If you want you can send me an original, and I will try to see what I can get out of the photo.

Robin, with DSLRs I think Neatimage is not needed only with high ISOs. But I owned a Sony DSC-F717 and even at 100 ISO the picture was filled with grain and I also needed to use Neatimage to get the grain out.

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Fri Aug 05, 2005 11:56 pm

I fail to see why people even need to use Neatimage for aviation photography. As Robin states it should be used only for things like indoor sports photography at high ISO's. Thats the only time i use it and its very good when used for the correct subject.
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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:05 am

I put an example on the net of an original photo that comes strait out of my old Sony DSC-F717 : http://www.filipowicz.com/DSC06429.jpg

You can see the amount of grain, and this was at 100 ISO !! At 200 ISO there is lots more. I don't know how other consumer cameras are but if they are as bad as my old Sony then I understand why it's used a lot.

Now with my Canon 20D set at 800 ISO, I still don't get that much grain as my old Sony at 100 ISO.
 
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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:32 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 1):
Which camera do you use? I'm amazed by the amount of chromatic abberation.

Eduard, thank you for your reply; it is a Konicaminolta Dimage Z3.

Could the chromatic abberation be caused by adding red in the photo (as I did in all of them)

If no, how can I fix the problem of chrom. abb. in those photos?

regards, Martijn
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting Varig767 (Reply 6):
Could the chromatic abberation be caused by adding red in the photo

Why on earth would you add red Martijn, I'm not trying to be funny but there is no need to do that.

Take care

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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Varig767 (Reply 6):
Could the chromatic abberation be caused by adding red in the photo (as I did in all of them)

No, it is caused by the quality, or lack of, the optics in your lens.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:10 am

DSLR user take note - not all our photographers can afford DSLR's, most of us started out using a 'prosumer' model.

My Olympus shots used to require some kind of 'cleaning up' before they would get accepted here. I had loads of badquality rejections to start with.

Ian.  Smile
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting Woody001 (Reply 9):
DSLR user take note - not all our photographers can afford DSLR's, most of us started out using a 'prosumer' model.

True..... I used a Fuji S7000 for my first year,but still tried to avoid Neatimage at all cost. Infact when i did try to use it i got even more rejections......

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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting Sfilipowicz (Reply 3):
If you want you can send me an original, and I will try to see what I can get out of the photo.

Thank for the offer Steven! BTW, you and I have must be standing next to each other on July 16th; I shot exactly the same planes at 36L in AMS that day.

Robin and Simon, I agree with Steven and Ian. My (non-DSLR) Dimage Z3 is producing as much noise as in Stevens example. I don't even think of shooting with a higher ISO than 50. Though I enjoy the Z3 very much, it has certainly its limitations.

That DSLR is absolutely on my wish-list  Smile

[Edited 2005-08-06 00:20:53]
 
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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:33 am

Quoting Rotate (Reply 2):
In my opinion as soon as you use Neatimage on a normal shot, the picture gets ruined.

Hi, Neatimage fan here...You couldn't be more wrong.

Too many people that visit these forums seem to submit to the theory that if it's not complicated or expensive it's not good.

Neatimage is a very effective tool if used correctly and can be used on any shot regardless of the iso setting.

At some point I'm going to have to wack y'all with the Neatimage taste test to see if you can tell the difference.
 
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Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:00 am

One thing I learned in only two days on this forum is that examining a photo is completely different from looking at a photo.

I searched the internet for theory on chromatic abberation and now I discovered it at my photos; in real life, engines are not purple  Smile

I am not sure, but can anyone confirm I fixed the chromatic abberation issue in the following picture?

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/387...klmmd11nieuwneatwithoutchrabb2.jpg
 
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RE: So I Was Too Rigorous In Applying Neatimage...

Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:17 pm

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 12):
Too many people that visit these forums seem to submit to the theory that if it's not complicated or expensive it's not good.

never said that or intend that ..... , I stay with my theory: Neatimage is for high ISO settings - reducing the grain. So, if you camera produces grain allready with low ISO settings - fine . than also use Neatimage.

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