tfsphoto
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Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:02 am

Howdy all,

I had a shot today rejected for badpersonalbadmotive, and the message was..

"frozen props is not nice"

The aircraft was a Dash8 on finals to MAN, so now shots will be rejected because the props appear to have been "stopped" ?

I cannot get the image as its in the appeal queue.. with no disrespect to the photographers of the following photo's, im simply using them as a "example" of what i was trying to upload.


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Ill try and get the image again from CD if its not accepted on appeal.

Lew
 
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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:12 am

Screener's wording wasn't brilliant, unless English isn't their first language and they were being literal.

I don't think I've heard of a rejection for that before now, but I'm ambivalent about it. I've got a few examples in the DB myself, recently though I've made an effort to avoid it.


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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting Sulman (Reply 1):
I don't think I've heard of a rejection for that before now, but I'm ambivalent about it. I've got a few examples in the DB myself, recently though I've made an effort to avoid it.

Like James I too have a few photos in the DB of still props but a lot of people hate them and I could see that it really created a fuss. So I now set my Tv Mode to 1/125 and when ever a prop plane comes along I switch over to Tv mode and shoot to get the nice prop blur. I have to admit I quit like it now.

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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:51 am

Perhaps it was just some advice from the screener, and the badmotiv was for something else...

And I have to agree with that comment, frozen props are not nice Smile

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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:01 am

Hi all

This should not be a valid reason for rejection.

Screeners are discussing.

Regards

Gary
 
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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 3):
Perhaps it was just some advice from the screener, and the badmotiv was for something else...

And I have to agree with that comment, frozen props are not nice

TFSPhoto:
Tim is absolutely right. I rejected it for the other reason(s), and also attempted to provide a useful tip, suggesting that such an image would be improved in future if the props were not frozen. I agree my wording could have been better. In my head saying "frozen props not nice" sounded like a word of advice rather than an explanation for the rejection. In retrospect I was wrong and should have chosen different wording.

I can categorically 100% guarantee to you that the image was NOT rejected due to the frozen props.

I hope such complete honesty is regarded favourably by you, TFSPhoto. There is no room whatsoever at airliners.net for dishonesty or fabrication of facts, wouldn't you agree?

Tamsin

PS To everybody - while frozen props are certainly "not nice", they do not influence the screening decision.

PPS After posting the above I found the rejected image in the appeal queue. It was rejected for "badquality" for the quality (the primary problem), "badmotiv" for composition (which is borderline, agreed) and the "badpersonal" was an ill-fated attempt at advice. It was not rejected solely for badmotivbadpersonal.

[Edited 2005-08-06 02:04:40]
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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:19 am

I have found that if I use a shutterspeed of 1/500 to about 1/800 I still get blurred props.


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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 6):
I hope such complete honesty is regarded favourably by you, TFSPhoto. There is no room whatsoever at airliners.net for dishonesty or fabrication of facts, wouldn't you agree?

Hi Tamsin,

Im sorry if we have got crossed here, this wasnt my intent.. I appologise, i must of mis-read the rejection e.mail, please accept my appologies.

I do however thankyou for the "bad personal", i may of sounded a bit "slanderish" and this was also not my intent of the post. I would praise any screener for badpersonal, as the screeners are actually trying to help the photographer..

Looking bad at it now (without the e.mail) i now realise that the "badpersonal" was actually a tip, and not the real reason for the rejection, which i did origonally think it was..

Once again Tamsin, please accept my appologies for this matter.

Lew
 
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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:01 am

I think one of the more challenging shots is to get a nice sharp shot of a turboprop with the props blurred through at least about 30 degrees.
Gives a great impression of motion as opposed to looking like its parked or had a double engine flameout.
Dash's are particularly hard because the props are spinng at only 1200RPM at T/O which means a shutter speed of around 1/200th will get you about 60 degrees of rotation and it looks great.
Only problem is as they are quite a bit smaller you are generally shooting at 400mm so its always a challenge to get a nice action shot with good prop blurr at lower shutter speeds.
Glad to hear that the screener team take a harsher look at shots with frozenprops.
After all its not that hard to turn your shutter speed down to 1/200th is it?

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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting TFSPhoto (Reply 8):
Im sorry if we have got crossed here, this wasnt my intent.. I appologise, i must of mis-read the rejection e.mail, please accept my appologies.

No worries Lew. Thanks for your reply and glad we can just put this down to miscommunication,

Always happy when the end result is we're all happy.  Smile

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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:10 pm

If you want prop blur this is the way to do it!! Nice shot Janne  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:22 pm

Call me American, but I don't see what the problem is with still props.
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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:25 pm

Hey American!!!  wave   Smile

Some people hate them thats all, me I undecided about it but the prop blur is growing on me!

Take care Phil

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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:35 am

I can see why a lot of people hate uploading here.

1. Long Queus

2. Takes almost 2 weeks to get screened

3. Too political

4. Stupid stuff like "still props, not nice"

Its not a wonder why atleast one screener I know doesnt screen here anymore.
 
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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:53 am

I think A.net has some very strange comments like : "still props, not nice"

But anyway A.net attends for a high level photo....

I just say that because I just got my first pic on A.net....  Smile  Smile

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/894973/M/

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RE: Photo Rejected Because Of..

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 14):
2. Takes almost 2 weeks to get screened

The queue is running at one week right now, not two weeks.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 14):
Stupid stuff like "still props, not nice"

I already explained, and apologised for my poor use of English. It was intended as useful advice, not as a reason for rejection. But this has been well covered already.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 14):
Its not a wonder why atleast one screener I know doesnt screen here anymore.

Several screeners are not screeners anymore at airliners.net. Some were not performing to the airliners.net standard, and some found the airliners.net standard was not to their liking. That's fine, we don't all agree on every subject in life and change is always good - it keeps us fresh and makes us challenge ourselves. Lack of change breeds complacency.

Lew's question has been answered and the matter of rejecting on the basis of frozen props has been clarified (we don't reject for that).

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