tappan
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To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:53 pm

Good work by all the Toronto shooters!! Not an easy situation dealing with a burning A340....Great stuff both during and after this near tragedy.
BUT...
Did anybody see that passenger's photo of people running from the burning jet?
How about courage there, ehh? How many among us would turn and photograph this while running as fast as we could away from the jet?
Sitting here at my computer it is an easy answer YES I would have...
Scrambling away from this crippled (soon to be burning) monster it is a more difficult question.

Mark Garfinkel
 
bigphilnyc
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:37 pm

I didn't see it, can you send us a link or something?
Phil Derner Jr.
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:04 pm

IF I would have been ( and thank God I haven't ) on this flight, and had my camera in hands after I exiting the aircraft, yes, I would have taken a few photos.

Hopefully I'll never get the chance to do so, though!
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:07 pm

Yeah ... i saw them too .. in the newspaper the day after or so ..

it did cross my mind would i have done the same !

Its one of those situations you hope never to find out ... but like Mark says ... sat at my PC here , yes i probably would.

But .... thank god nobody was to badly injured

regards all Tony
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tappan
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:13 pm

 
bigphilnyc
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:20 pm

I'm stupid, of course I'd have taken the photo.

I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd also expect a badmanipulation rejection for using too much burn tool.

Imagine that. I'm facing death and I'd be thinking about Peter Unmuth.  Smile

-Phil
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 5):
I'm stupid, of course I'd have taken the photo.

I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd also expect a badmanipulation rejection for using too much burn tool.

Imagine that. I'm facing death and I'd be thinking about Peter Unmuth.

-Phil

  

This one should be awarded with the "Best Post of the Year" Grand Prize!!

j

[Edited 2005-08-06 16:27:10]
 
ChrisH
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:40 pm

Everyone has a cameraphone these days... same as the video from the london trains. I would defo take some shots in that situation... I'd have my camera out for the landing anyways... wouldnt spend any time composing but rather just shoot from the hip, who knows, the photos might become useful in the investigation or something.
what seems to be the officer, problem?
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:43 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 2):
IF I would have been ( and thank God I haven't ) on this flight, and had my camera in hands after I exiting the aircraft, yes, I would have taken a few photos.

If you are about to die and you are scared shitless I doubt that you would take a picture. Run like hell and thank god afterwards that you are alive.

I have asked myself that question a few times, but since no one has been in a situtation like this it is really hard to tell what someone would do.

Vasco


p.s. Phil, it was a good one.....hilarious!!!!!!
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:24 am

Here's some more passenger shots taken while fleeing the wreck.







Oh, and for the record, as a former photojournalist, you're damn right I would have been shooting. There were many instances in my life where I kept shooting because training takes over, but the thinking, and the shakes do come later.
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:23 am

I was asking myself the same...

But I think the question is, did these guys who took the photos realise that they could die in a minute if the aircraft explodes? After all, "it always happens to the others" is a widespread attitude. So after the aircraft came to a grinding halt and you are still alive, you leave the plane, jump out of the door and are even then still alive, you might get a feeling like "woah, that was close, but now the danger is over" and even think of taking some photos again.
Dunno what I would have done... @1 cared for my wife or any other co-travellers in my party, then @2 probably also taken some photos... and finally later @3: get scared about what happened

I think it is like when you cut your finger... it only starts hurting once you see the blood.

Tom
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:23 am

What I am amazed by is the fact that people are carrying their bags off with them!!!!!!

Regards

John
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting JAT74L (Reply 11):
What I am amazed by is the fact that people are carrying their bags off with them!!!!!!

Hey John  wave  good to see ya!

Yea that is something. Those pics are incredible. It's a miracle everyone survived. I can imagine the chaos as people went into the overhead bins for their belongings.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:41 am

I'd have to go on the record and say I'd have shot some pictures. The aircraft is largely intact and it appears everyone left via the exits. If I were in a situation where rescue workers had to cut me out of the aircraft, that would be a different story.

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 5):
I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd be thinking: "this is gonna be one hell of a trip report!"
I lift things up and put them down.
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 5):
I'm stupid, of course I'd have taken the photo.

I escape a burning plane with my life and I know I'd still be thinking "This would get Most Popular of the last 24 Hours!"

I'd also expect a badmanipulation rejection for using too much burn tool.

Imagine that. I'm facing death and I'd be thinking about Peter Unmuth.

-Phil

Ok, that is possibly the funniest post i have read in my life! It's taken me about 5minutes to be able to type this! LOL

Totally agree with Jav!

I feel exactly the same though, would have had to grab the cam for a top of day!

Chris
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:20 am

I know I would be wanting to take pictures, but my wife would probely be cussing me out.  Smile
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:01 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 14):
would have had to grab the cam for a top of day!

I'd have looked around to check whether I could have helped any of the more than 300 people on that flight.

Top of the day, sigh  Yeah sure
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 16):
I'd have looked around to check whether I could have helped any of the more than 300 people on that flight.

That would be my first response as well. I'm sure there probably was, and I would have had to help first, shoot second. If someone perished because I was taking photos.....well, I'm not sure I could deal with that.
 
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:00 am

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 16):
I'd have looked around to check whether I could have helped any of the more than 300 people on that flight.

The top of day comment was said with sarcasm. However in a situation like that i would reach for my camera, im training to be a photojournlist and as one you cannot react and help people at every oportunity, you get your images then you help. That is how people like Robert Capa and Don McCulling have worked. That is my opinion, of course i would have tried to help, but also taking images.

Chris
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RE: To Shoot Or Not To Shoot: The Toronto A 340

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:21 am

The photos posted above would have been rejected for badpeople. Big grin

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