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TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:55 am

Hello,

I am having a problem with submitting a certain Photo.

She is owned by JetX, and is operating for Air Scandic on a Long-Term basis from East Midlands Airport (It is not a one off) and is Untitled. It is the first Photo of TF-JXC in the database, if accepted  

There is a recent Photo on JetPhotos of the Aircraft at East Midlands Airport, under the Airline name Air Scandic:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=513155

A friend told me that here on Airliners.net, if the plane has no titles it is untitled, even if you know the opeator.

Is it:

Untitled
Untitled (Air Scandic)
Untitled (JetX)

I am thinking towards "Untitled (Air Scandic)", as that seems the most correct. I would also love her to be in with the Air Scandic Photos, because I find this Airline and it's range of helper Aircraft interesting.

Here is the Photo (not full size):

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/airscandic/SCANDICC.jpg

Many Thanks,

Ryan  

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Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:06 am

Hey Ryan,

I'd submit it as
Untitled (Jetx)

Good luck.

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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:09 am

Hi Ryan,

As Jimmi said, its "Untitled (JetX)"

Lew

(Edit: corrected name)

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Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:09 am

Hey!

I am still not that sure   

It is a hard one to judge!

Cheers Jimmi and Lew!   

EDIT: Untitled (JetX) it is then! Well Done Lads!

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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:36 am

Hello,

Thanks for the help guys!  

I have one further question.

When I took the Photo it was undergoing some kind of work involving a ladder it seems (under the plane). Is it O.K to upload a Photograph where maintenance could have being carried out? Or it is best leaving this Photograph off the internet?

The Aircraft does not appear to be in pieces or anything.

Here is the Photo in the queue:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/SCYSCANDIC.jpg

Thanks,
Ryan

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Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:46 am

Very good photo, but with it being untitled and most likely going back to JetX in the end thats probably for the best.
 
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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:16 am

Ryan,

The fact that maintenance is being carried out should not be a problem. I have several pictures in the DB where aircraft are undergoing maintenance. I think it would only become an issue if the maintenace equipment was blocking a fair bit of the aircraft or was obviously a distraction which is not the case here.

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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:17 am

Hello,

Quoting A321fly (Reply 5):
Very good photo, but with it being untitled and most likely going back to JetX in the end thats probably for the best.

Cheers!  Smile

I think she will be going back to JetX after she has finished her duties with Air Scandic. Being as though Air Scandic are operating at East Midlands next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see the same MD-83s from Viking, JetX etc doing the flights next year, as long as Air Scandic don't go and get themselves an Air Operators Certificate. (I wish they would)

I am disappointed that even some Air Scandic titles have not been applied to certain Aircraft this year. It doesn't exactly make the company look that good, and it's is things like that that passengers remember. I think that operating some of their own branded Aircraft like in past years with Air Cordial having the Air Operators Certificate would do them a world of good.

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Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:02 am

Hello,

Thanks for making that clear!  

Cheers, Ryan

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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:40 pm

Hello,

Air Scandic again,

This Aircraft is:

Owned by Viking Airlines,
Air Scandic Livery.

Should it be uploaded as:

Air Scandic (Viking Airlines)
or Air Scandic

Previous uploads have been just Air Scandic.

Here is the Photo, not uploaded fully, I'm on the correction page.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/airscandicmd.jpg

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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:54 am

Ryan,

The previous uploads are correct, it's just Air Scandic. If you want, you can mention Viking Airlines in the remarks.

These are not the regular Air Scandic colours, so please make sure to tick the "Hybrid / special marking" category.

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Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:31 am

Aad,

Thanks for you help and time! I thought that Viking Airlines had to be mentioned somewhere.

She in now in the queue, and hopefully will make it onto the site, because it is my favourite particular Aircraft.

Thanks,
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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:48 am

Quoting Tameteora (Reply 10):
Ryan,

The previous uploads are correct, it's just Air Scandic. If you want, you can mention Viking Airlines in the remarks.

These are not the regular Air Scandic colours, so please make sure to tick the "Hybrid / special marking" category.

Regards,

Aad.

Wrong. The SE- registered MD-83s are operated by Viking Airlines, but with Air Scandic titles.
The TF- registered MD-83s are operated by JetX.

I believe it should be Air Scandic(Viking Airlines) in this case, as the a/c is not operated by Air Scandic
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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:08 am

So is it:

Air Scandic,

or

Air Scandic (Viking Airlines)?

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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:17 am

Hi Ryan,

Just my 2c worth, but I thought anything that was all-white should always be labelled as Untitled(Airline).

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Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:27 am

Just to add, I don't think Air Scandic should be included at all. I'd put Untitled (*Airline*). The aircraft is only being chartered by Air Scandic, the aircraft is not owned by them, it is Jet X/Viking - whichever.

For example the photo of this Yes L1011 is Untitled (Yes - Linhas Aereas Charter)

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The aircraft is untitled, but belongs to Yes and is operating a flight on behalf of Excel Airways, yet Excel Airways doesn't appear in the labelling at all. If you want to add that it is flying on behalf of Air Scandic, I would include this in the remarks field.

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RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:00 am

Hey Tim!  

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 14):
Just my 2c worth, but I thought anything that was all-white should always be labelled as Untitled(Airline).

SE-RDH has the Red Air Scandic titles on her.

Mark,

We have,

  • TF-JXC, Owned by JetX, operating for Air Scandic, no titles at all.

    Untitled (JetX)

  • SE-RDH, Owned by Viking, operating for Air Scandic, Air Scandic titles.

    *name on side of plane* (*operator*). Thats how I understand it works like.

    These Aircraft are on Long-Term contracts for Air Scandic, unlike that L1011 above (as far as I know anyway). Plus, SE-RDH has some Scandic markings.

    That is where its getting all confusing.

    Anyway, my two favourite Aircraft birds are in the queue:

    TF-JXC:

    http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/SCYAIRSCANDIC.jpg

    SE-RDH:

    http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/airscanserdhmd.jpg

    Hopefully they will make it in!

    Thanks for input and the help guys!
    Ryan

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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:13 pm

    Air Scandic are no longer an airline since they got rid of the A300s, and Air Cordial cancelled their AOC.
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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:45 pm

    Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 14):
    I thought anything that was all-white should always be labelled as Untitled(Airline).

    This aircraft is not all-white, it carries Air Scandic titles.

    Quoting Demoose (Reply 15):
    Just to add, I don't think Air Scandic should be included at all. I'd put Untitled (*Airline*). The aircraft is only being chartered by Air Scandic, the aircraft is not owned by them, it is Jet X/Viking - whichever.

    Whatever airline titles are painted on the aircraft should be put in the airline field. Whether the aircraft is actually owned or operated by them doesn't matter.

    Quoting AIHTOURS (Reply 16):
    *name on side of plane* (*operator*). Thats how I understand it works like.

    You understand correctly. When I initially answered your question, I couldn't find any official information on this aircraft being operated by Viking. This morning I did some further checking, and it appears you are correct. The aircraft is indeed operated by Viking, which means rule 3 from the upload help for the airline field applies. The correct entry is "Air Scandic (Viking Airlines)".

    Quoting AIHTOURS (Reply 16):

    # TF-JXC, Owned by JetX, operating for Air Scandic, no titles at all.
    Untitled (JetX)

    IF this aircraft is indeed operating for Air Scandic (I am a bit more careful this time...) the airline entry should be "Untitled (Air Scandic (JetX))", as described by rule 4 in the upload help for the airline field.

    My apologies for being too hasty with my initial reply for SE-RDH. Could you please re-upload? I will correct all earlier uploads of this aircraft later today.

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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:31 pm

    Quoting Tameteora (Reply 18):
    Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 14):
    I thought anything that was all-white should always be labelled as Untitled(Airline).

    This aircraft is not all-white, it carries Air Scandic titles.

    Yes, I was meaning the Icelandic regd. one.

    Quoting Tameteora (Reply 18):
    IF this aircraft is indeed operating for Air Scandic (I am a bit more careful this time...) the airline entry should be "Untitled (Air Scandic (JetX))", as described by rule 4 in the upload help for the airline field.

    I hadn't realised how complicated this can actually become. If the aircraft is owned by JetX, but has no markings and is only operating for Air Scandic, is there any need to include Air Scandic at all?

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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:14 pm

    Hello,

    Quoting Tameteora (Reply 18):
    My apologies for being too hasty with my initial reply for SE-RDH. Could you please re-upload? I will correct all earlier uploads of this aircraft later today.

    Thanks for your help and your time Aad!  Smile Don't worry about being hasty! Luckily, I re- uploaded SE-RDH last night, so I could make changes through the day if needs be. I uploaded her as "Air Scandic (Viking Airlines)"

    TF-JXC, on the other hand, I uploaded as "Untitled (Viking Airlines)", which of cause will needed to be rectified.

    Quoting GVBIG (Reply 17):
    Air Scandic are no longer an airline since they got rid of the A300s, and Air Cordial cancelled their AOC.

    I went through this on the other Air Scandic thread. They have other factors about them which mean they are an Airline, even though they have not got an AOC.

    Thanks,
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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:40 pm

    Quoting AIHTOURS (Reply 20):
    I went through this on the other Air Scandic thread. They have other factors about them which mean they are an Airline, even though they have not got an AOC.

    Of course, you are correct and everyone else is wrong  Yeah sure
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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:55 pm

    Quoting AIHTOURS:
    GVBIG.

    I know about the operations of Air Scandic and all the Airlines which are involved. I experience the handling Air Scandic flights everyday at the Airport.

    You could say that they are not an Airline for the reasons you stated.

    Me and Various other people consider them an Airline personally, they are discussed or this Website Airliners.net, and are considered an Airline at the Airport.

    Remember the definition of an Airline:

    "An airline is an organization providing aviation services to passengers and/or cargo. It owns or leases airliners with which to supply these services and may form partnerships or alliances with other airlines for reasons of mutual benefit."

    They offer Aviation Services to passengers   
    It leases Airliners   
    They form partnerships   

    Ingredients of being an Airline.

    They are stated as being an Airline on Wikipedia.

    "Air Scandic is an airline whose registered office is in Jersey, Channel Islands, United Kingdom."




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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:01 pm

    Those points may be true, but to operate as an airline, you must have an AOC, of which Scandic do not have.
    I suppose you could call them a "Virtual Airline" if you wanted to.
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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:05 pm

    Ok,

    Rgds TF-JXC could a screener confirm the correct format, I am lead to believe its "Untitled (Air Scandic(Viking Airlines))" - is this correct?

    Thanks for the help.
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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:07 pm

    Hello,

    Yes, I like to call them a Virtual Airline.

    To Operate as an Airline yes you need the AOC, but to be branded as an Airline you don't.

    Those factor's of being an Airline I displayed, it wasn't the full list, but you only need a few to be branded an Airline.

    Finally we reach an agrement.  Smile
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    RE: TF-JXC Untitled? Air Scandic? JetX? Please Help!

    Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:09 pm

    Aaron,

    Screeners have confirmed above that:

    TF-JXC is "Untitled (Air Scandic (JetX))"

    SE-RDH is "Air Scandic (Viking Airlines)"

    Cheers, Ryan
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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:11 pm

    Ryan,

    So its "Untitled" on the first drop down, then "Untitled (Air Scandic (JetX))" on the second?
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    Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:15 pm

    Hi Aaron,

    Select, Other in the dropdown,

    then manually type in:

    "Untitled (Air Scandic (JetX))"

    Regareds,

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