LHRSIMON
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Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:05 am

Well can some one explain this....

A few weeks ago I had a 79% acceptance level. Which gave me 40 uploads.

The last few weeks I have been trying to get a rather common batch of LHR photo's into the DB so a few got rejected. Nothing special there. Upload acceptance down to 54%. 30 uploads allowed.

I was starting to worry as if I went below 50% it would cut the upload level to 20.... Which for me at my current screening level is to small....

Anyway I was happy today to find that 3 out of 4 were accepted. Great I thought that will help my %..... WRONG ..... Its now gone down to 52% !!!!!

Needless to say im rather confused !!!!!  Sad

Simon C
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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:17 am

Simon

The calculation is based on your last 50, in sequential order. So, let's give an example:

Week 1: 10 accepted
Week 2: 5 accepted. 5 rejected
Week 3: 10 rejected
Week 4: 10 rejected
Week 5: 10 rejected

So, at this point in time your average acceptance would be:
(10+5+0+0+0) / 50 = 30%

Ok, now assume that in Week 6, you had 3 accepted and 1 rejected (as in your quote).

Now, you're average would be:
(6+5+0+0+0+3) / 50 = 28%

In other words, the four oldest screening decisions must have (notice it's not "must of") had a better acceptance ratio than the four you just received.

So, if you wish to increase your ratio further, you need to "flush out" all the rejections which contribute to the average number.

I hope that helps.

Miss Zvereva (who will be marking homework, to be handed in tomorrow!)

[Edited 2005-08-11 00:18:34]
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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:17 am

It makes sense, since it uses only your last 50 uploads. It is unfair though.

In your last 50:
Lets say you had 4 accepted
Then had 46 rejected.

That is an 8% rejection rate

Then you upload 4 more, and you get 3 accepted

Your last 50 looks like this:
47 rejected
3 accepted

A 6% acceptance rate.
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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting United737522 (Reply 2):
It makes sense, since it uses only your last 50 uploads. It is unfair though.

Your mathematics, while technically accurate, are not representative of a typical scenario. You have depicted the extreme situation where the 4 accepted images were your 47th, 48th, 49th and 50th oldest screening decisions. Thus they are displaced by the latest four decisions, which themselves are poorer than the four they displace.

If, in your fictious scenario, those four acceptance were anywhere other than the oldest four of your fifty, then your acceptance ratio would go up.

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:26 am

it would cut the upload level to 20.... Which for me at my current screening level is to small

Simon, what do you mean by this? Don't be in the game to just make up the numbers, think quality, not quanity.

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:30 am

Thank you all Big grin

Quoting Tamsin (Reply 1):
So, if you wish to increase your ratio further, you need to "flush out" all the rejections which contribute to the average number.

I am trying !!!  Smile Its just that common LHR photo's get rejected and sometime's take a few edits to get them 100% and in the DB  Smile

I only have about 20 more from the LHR batch left. Then its about 2000 GA photo's from the summer !!!!!!!! So fingers crossed my edit abilty and acceptance will improve. On GA i seem to be able to get an acceptance of about 80%. And most times the other 20% is the pain in the bum badlevel.

Cheers
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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:35 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
Simon, what do you mean by this? Don't be in the game to just make up the numbers, think quality, not quanity.

Im not Royal. Im very tough on my self screening  Smile .. Let me explain a bit better.

I get time on average to edit about 20-30 photo's in a week. (The appx screening time on A.Net is about 7 days) So at the moment i never run out of uploads.

If i was only allowed 20 i would run out of uploads for my current weekly upload speed...

Does that make sence.... Big grin

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 5):
Its just that common LHR photo's get rejected



Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 5):
GA I seem to be able to get an acceptance of about 80%.

I think that tells you something!! As more and more people shoot at the big airports I'm sure it will become harder still to get accepted.

It's a shame that more people don't look at the GA and helicopters as there are plenty of nice planes and locations buried in that part of the database.  Sad

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:35 pm

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 5):
I only have about 20 more from the LHR batch left. Then its about 2000 GA photo's from the summer !!!!!!!!

Remember a while back how you said you were enjoying shooting GA, but irritated by how the viewers tend to ignore them in favour of airliners and mil, resulting in lower hits? Looks like you are about to receive some reward for all those GA shots after all  Smile I find that my GA shots are much more likely to be accepted, so at the moment I have an acceptance rate in the mid-80's which is nice - gives me 40 upload slots. So look forward to the potentially increased number of slots the GA uploads will give you once you've finished your LHR uploads  Smile

Ironically, I don't need 40 slots or even the old limit of 30 - I have 3 or 4 photos in the queue at the moment...... I now spend too much time editing and self-screening - I guess thats the new system working on me as the crew intended. 20 slots would be more than enough for me at the moment. Next year, I'm going DSLR so hopefully that will reduce the amount of work I have to do at the editing stage and I can use more slots.

Quoting Willo (Reply 7):
It's a shame that more people don't look at the GA and helicopters as there are plenty of nice planes and locations buried in that part of the database.

I know everyone has their own tastes and favourites, but for me, GA is one of the best bits of Airliners.net. I find I love all aircraft about the same, I can get as much of a thrill at a gliding airfield as at a big international airport or military airshow. They all feed a different part of my addiction, but the hit is similar. Variety is the spice of life!

Best regards,

Jim
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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:56 pm

Addendum:

I've just uploaded a photo (I have 4 in the queue) only to see that my stats have changed to the following:

Accepted: 0 Rejected: 0
Acceptance Ratio: 0% Photos in DB: 0 In upload queue: 0
Photos allowed in upload queue: 5 Photo uploads available: 5

Ah well, looks like my 40 upload slots is a thing of the past.  Smile Anyone any idea about what has gone wrong? Who did I upset?  Smile Yes, it is the same name and e-mail address as before.

I'm a newbie again! (Can I start a new thread complaining about the new system ?  Wink )

Best regards,

Jim
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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:11 pm

Jim,

It don't compute to me ! I thought perhaps the site had lost the stats on your last 50 uploads and hence reverted to the standard 5 slots but given the number of pictures you already have in the DB (over 400 - right ?) that would give you 10 slots on top of the basic 5 so I don't see how you could ever have less than 15 slots total.

I think some comments from the crew may be appropriate - certainly seems confusing to me.

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:12 pm

Hi guys,

also just a quick question about the queue limits here. I just got 3 out of 4 accepted this morning. Before that my acceptance was 13 accepted and 52 rejected. Now my accepted 13 pics where within the last 50 uploaded, so I would have to have an acceptance ratio of 13/50 which would give me 26%. But I only had 20% since what it did was divide 13/65. And now that I have 16 in the database and all of these 16 are within the last 50 I would have to have 16/50 which would give me 32% but instead I have 16/69 which leaves me with 23,2% I don't get why it does that. Can anyone comment on this please?

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:51 pm

Jim

check out this thread - it may be a related problem:
Unable To Upload Pictures (by Clickhappy Aug 9 2005 in Site Related)

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:08 pm

Having not read all of above. I find that when getting rejects the percentage decreases quicker. Where as, when having photos accepted I have around 4 accepted and it only goes up by about 2%.

Say you got 1 rejected and one accepted the percentage wouldn't change correct?

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:28 pm

Quoting LHRsunriser (Reply 13):
Say you got 1 rejected and one accepted the percentage wouldn't change correct?

That always depends: See, since the last 50 are supposed to be taken in account when calculating this average, you always have too look at what "leaves" those last 50. Say out of your last 50, 25 were accepted and 25 were rejected, and that always in an alternating order. Then you upload two, get one accepted and one rejected. Then the earliest two leave those last 50. The ones that left were 1 acception and 1 rejection as well so that won't change your %. But if the earliest two would have been rejections, your % would go up, and on the other hand if they had both been acceptions it would go down accordingly. I hope this kind of helped you.

Cheers,
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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:37 pm

Ah so say I have 20 rejections and 30 acceptions. I get 2 more accepted and it pushes 2 rejections out and replaces with acceptions would it go up twice as much?

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:46 pm

For your acceptance ratio, you always have to know how many of your pics were accepted out of the last 50 uploaded. Let's take the example you just gave. you had 20 rejected and after those you had 30 accepted all after another. So that gives you 30/50 = 60% acceptance ratio for the last 50. Then you get 2 more accepted, and since you had the rejections before the accepted ones it'll push them out and leave you with 18 rejected and 32 accepted. Then your average will be 32/50 = 64%. That's how it works.

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:53 pm

It can be confusing. I've had 49 of the last 57 accepted, giving 84%, which is the same as 42/50, thus it can appear that the stats are looking at more than the last 50, when it fact it's pure coincidence.


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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:27 pm

Kkl Kl I understand now cheers all lol

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RE: Queue Percentage (im Confused)

Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:05 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 9):
Addendum:

My issue is some sort of cookie/log-in problem. It's nothing to do with Airliners.net, just something to do with the fact I did not log off when changing between users in Windows. I'll sort it out, somehow  Smile

Best regards,

Jim
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