flyfisher1976
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Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:00 am

I had a photo rejected today with the following rjection reason given:

"These photos appear to have been either overexposed (too bright) or underexposed (too dark). This could be a scanning problem or a
problem with the original photos. Check your original photo, if it appears to be correctly exposed then please change the settings
on your scanner or use a photo manipulating tool to adjust the brightness
of the photos."

I have the following photo still in raw format...here is the version that I submitted:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ns/big/CRW_1874_RT8_N321CY_JAD.jpg

This is a unique photo...it's the only one of this A/C (not) in the database, and it is a unique paint scheme.

Can someone give me advice on how to improve this photo based on the rejection reason above? Again, I have this photo original in RAW.

Thanks, JD
 
edoca
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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:21 am

Hi JD,
what software have you used? I just tried a very quick autofix in Photoshop Elements and the exposure improved immediately. Especially if you have the raw file you could be able to get is sorted. Feel free to send me a mail if you want me to give it a try.
Just one note, I wouldn't call this a unique paint scheme really, as this isn't an airliner I guess.

[Edited 2005-08-11 01:27:42]
 
norfolkjohn
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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:22 am

Hi JD,

I've had a look at this shot but I think it will be difficult to fix to A.Net standards. The problem seems to be that the aircraft is back lit. There are a few things you could try playing with in combination to see if you can get a better result but I'm not sure how much of an improvement you will get.

1) You could try increasing the mid-tone adjustment in levels. (Enhance > Adjust Brightness / Contrast > Levels)

2) You could try a little bit of fill flash (Enhance > Adjust Lighting > Fill Flash)

3) You could try adjusting the backlighting (Enhance > Adjust Lighting > Adjust Backlighting)

4) You could simply lighten the entire image (Enhance > Adjust Brightness / Contrast > Brightness / Contrast)

Just trying these quickly I would say that playing with 1 and 2 is the best bet but the end result may still not be brilliant.

That's the best I can suggest - perhaps some of the more expert editors can offer better ideas.

All the best

John
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AIHTOURS
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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:35 am

Hi,

Where abouts is this Autofix is Adobe CS2? Does it have it to use?

Thanks,
Ryan

[Edited 2005-08-11 01:35:56]
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edoca
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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:00 am

Quoting AIHTOURS (Reply 3):
Where abouts is this Autofix is Adobe CS2?

I don't know if that function exists in CS2, I'm using Elements 3 instead. Mind you, it's just a "quick fix" thing, in many cases inefficient to reach A.Net quality, but I think it can give a good indication on whether or not a picture can be fixed.

If I can improve a backlit pic with it, I guess that means there may be a chance to fix it, especially if the raw is available. For example by using John's techniques.
 
C133
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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:59 am

The conditions you faced were far from ideal, and bringing that image up to snuff may not be possible. If you still have access to the airplane why not just shoot it again on a better (sunny) day?
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flyfisher1976
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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:14 pm

Quoting Edoca (Reply 1):
I just tried a very quick autofix in Photoshop Elements and the exposure improved immediately.

I tried this and it worked well. I think I need to calibrate my monitor, for it is playing tricks on my eyes. I could have sworn that this image was brighter when I uploaded it. Now that I've lightened the image I can't believe I ever subitted it the way it was. I'm going to start over with the raw file. Thanks for the tips...

Quoting C133 (Reply 5):
If you still have access to the airplane why not just shoot it again on a better (sunny) day?

Unfortunately not an option.
It was the beginning of a sunny day...sunrise. I wanted to catch a little of the red/purple sky behind the plane. Unfortunately I trusted the screen on my 300D and forgot to check the histogram...
 
sulman
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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:17 pm

It's almost completely backlit; you're going to struggle whatever you do in editing. Do you have any of it from the other side?


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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:37 pm

Just to give you an example I had these rejected for backlit!


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RE: Rejected...Please Help...

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:38 am

Indeed as said it is tricky one JD. You can have a play with the levels, contrast etc. Just to give you an idea of what you can do with a couple of minutes in CS.
http://www.btinternet.com/~victoryhall/temp/CRW_1874_RT8_N321CY_JAD_JID2.jpg
I would not say its near DB standard but still an interesting one to process.

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