ryangooner
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Double Reject - Not Happy

Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:59 pm

I dont do too much whingeing when i get a reject, I accept it and carry on but there are a few occasions where its healthy to voice my opinion and use this forum as a tool for which its here for..

Bad double rejection for this shot

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ns/big/LGW250903BRITFGRJIGOOAR.jpg

The double is in relation to this pic i already have on line:


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I accept its the same aircraft , same kinda time due to a series of shots i took of it but there is only 13 photo's in the database of this aircraft - yeh only 13 !!
In my opinion its a nice shot worthy of addition to Airliners.net and the fact that its showing a scene which includes the A320 lining up i see the shot not entirely as a double.
I will appeal but would like to see if anyone has the same or differing opinion to me (other than that of a screener as i already have their opinion!)

Ryan Hemmings
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:06 pm

ciao ryan,

as it is shoot on the same day , I think the rejection is reasonable.

Robin
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:07 pm

Ryan

You asked for opinions. I'm an admirer of your work on a.net, but I agree with this rejection.

Charles
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ryangooner
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:34 pm

Thanks for your feedback Robin and Charles.

Are there any acceptions to this rule?

Ryan
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:22 pm

13 is more than enough photos of a CRJ in my opinion  Wink
 
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:16 am

Ryan

My two cents for what it's worth. Definitely shouldn't have been a bad double rejection. Another casualty of the ill-defined bad double rules on A.net. The two shots, while of the same aircraft, taken by the same photog and at almost the same time, are clearly (to me) two distinct photos that are unique. A lot more unique than two pictures of the same aircraft taxiing in different directions taken by the same photog on the same day and not considered bad double.

Sorry for the reject. It's a nice shot.

Art
 
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:22 am

Looks like a double to me.
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:42 am

I agree with Art here. They are both lovely shots and i think they both deserve coverage in the database.

They have different motives and although are of the same aircraft both show a arty and interesting image.

Bad luck Ryan!

I would much rather see these two shots in the DB rather than say 10 shots of the same BA319 27L approach all taken by a diff photog.

Chris
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting Adamwright (Reply 4):
13 is more than enough photos of a CRJ in my opinion

Ha! Don't you wish!  spin 

Sorry to hear about the rejection Ryan, they are really great shots and you may or may not be happy to know that the one in the d/b is now my wallpaper.

Thanks for sharing!

-Charlie
 
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:45 am

This really is one of those rules that really does need claifying ... exact precise and point for point ..

There are still examples getting through which according to the "rules" are clearly baddouble !


I very recently viewed a photographers images that contained AT LEAST 2 of the same aircraft, same time frame and same day if i remember correctly they involved 4 different examples too.

Can we please have this rule set in stone now by the Head Screeners complete with any exceptions that everyone may not be aware of.

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ryangooner
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:38 am

Im thinking the exceptions to the rule must be airshows, because these 3 went on all at the same time...


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now this is bad triple according to the rule, there are many lancasters in the database, so a civil aircraft with 13 pics of it wont get a 14 accepted?
The bad double rule clearly is used when it suits

Ryan
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:48 am

It is not a different angle though. Both of your shots are almost the same, except for the A320 in the frame. Same time, angle, color should be a bad double. The triple you posted is a whole shot, a nose shot, and a close up of the guns. 2 are B/W and 1 is in color. I agree with you that the double rule is not always clear, but in this case I have to agree with the screenrs.
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:25 am

G'day Ryan,

Gotta agree with the rejection, sorry mate! It's way to similar to the image already accepted. Back in 97-98, you could have got both of these and probably 3 others accepted no probs  scratchchin  . The old bad double rule can be a little "wishy-washy" but in this instance I believe it's pretty clear why it was dumped.

As for the Lancaster......... I'd love to see more shots, the three you have shown here are brilliant.

Keep up the good work mate.
 
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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:54 am

Was this done before the above rules were set??


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RE: Double Reject - Not Happy

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting Eadster (Reply 13):
Was this done before the above rules were set??

Different photogs, but that wouldn't probably fly either anymore.

Ivan

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