JohnJ
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Lost Cause?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:36 am

I've found that when I try to push the "Mother Nature" conditions things usually don't stack up well for me. I really wanted to get a shot of the new Airborne Express/DHL 767 flight into Hartford/Bradley Field last week and got up quite early to do so - FBOWeb called for its arrival at around 7:30 a.m., which would have been perfect light. It was a crystal-clear morning, couldn't ask for better photography weather. I got to the airport with plenty of time to spare, but was shocked to hear the ABX flight being cleared to land at about 6:50 a.m. Ordinarily it would have been no big deal since I was prepared, but the sun had other ideas - it was barely above the horizon at that hour.

The resulting set of images of the 767 were, not surprisingly, quite dark and I had to raise the brightness/contrast significantly in Photoshop to get a result that looked about right to me. I have no idea what other bad results doing that can do to an image, though. Long story short, my submitted image was rejected for "NOA_Quality", the proverbial kiss of death. Is there any hope for this one? The color is very reddish due to the sunrise, but I kind of like that effect. The image seems sharp enough to my eye, and I don't think I'd want it any brighter. There is a rather nasty shadow on the forward part of the fuselage that may be the culprit - if so, this image is toast for this site, I guess, as every one of the 8 or so shots I took in the sequence has the same shadow. What do you think?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ions/big/abx_n789ax_ain_3435_2.jpg
 
eadster
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RE: Lost Cause?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:37 am

JohnJ,

Have you selected the aircraft and just sharpened that?? I can see some weird lines around it thats all. That could be the problem. I personally think that there is some hope for it.

I have been wrong before though!!!
 
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RE: Lost Cause?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:17 pm

Quoting JohnJ (Thread starter):
The resulting set of images of the 767 were, not surprisingly, quite dark and I had to raise the brightness/contrast significantly in Photoshop to get a result that looked about right to me.

John, that doesn't even look close to natural. Sometimes 'ya just gotta let go....this looks like one of 'em.
 
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RE: Lost Cause?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:33 pm

I wanna see the original.
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RE: Lost Cause?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:33 pm

I'm no screener but to me this photo:

- lacks contrast (areas of shadow too light)
- suffers from jaggies in the tail area
- is not centred (tail right at the edge of the frame).

I'm not sure what the overall effect of increasing the contrast would be, but otherwise the problems are fixable. I don't think the shadow on the forward fuselage is an issue.

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JohnJ
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RE: Lost Cause?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:44 pm

Thanks for the feedback. At DLKAPA's request I've made the original available at the link below. It is very dark, hence the liberal use of bright and contrast in my modified photo. The only other processing I did was to sharpen it and touch up a dust spot along the bottom. Ordinarily I'd have dumped this one in the hopper a lot sooner, but I was surprised at the sharpness and detail of the image in the low light conditions and thought it might be salvageable.

http://airshots.homestead.com/files/IMG_3435.JPG
 
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RE: Lost Cause?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:58 pm

 Wink Nice shot actually, BUT ...
I found a few flaws that perhaps irritated the screeners as well:

Rotate the image, so the line of trees in the background are level. In your picture the approach attitude looks very unnatural for a 767. (Perhaps not for a CRJ). Apply less brightness than in your submitted photo, and definitevly select dawn/sunset shot. That will put it in a different category and help with the low light. Do not overbrighten (that happened in your submission)!

Crop the picture tightly! Screeners love that! Be very careful on that!

Just my ideas.
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SA006
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RE: Lost Cause?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:26 am

Ok , multiple problems here:

The pictures gives me the impression you have brightened her up quite a bit giving it that bland white look to it. This results in a lack of contrast.

The photo is also not centered. Quite a bit of dead space on the left.

Quoting Propellix (Reply 6):
Rotate the image, so the line of trees in the background are level. In your picture the approach attitude looks very unnatural for a 767.

I disagree here. You can't tell for sure if the photo isn't level. I don't feel the approach looks very unnatural.

I'd like to see the original here , would be interesting.

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JohnJ
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RE: Lost Cause?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:47 am

"I'd like to see the original here , would be interesting"

...link posted above...
 
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RE: Lost Cause?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:36 pm

John,

It's not a bad shot considering the light. Certainly not a lost cause. Just note that you should not use Brightness to make the photo brighter. You should first adjust the levels and then make it brighter with curves instead of brightness/contrast. Then apply some Unsharp Mask. I'm no expert (far from it) but doing the above and nothing else produced much better results that should be acceptable or at least working towards acceptance.

before and after: (links to full size/larger photos belows):


before:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ions/big/abx_n789ax_ain_3435_2.jpg

after:
http://www.rampslides.com/after.jpg

If you think my "after" shot is good enough to upload, go for it. Or, work on it a bit to make it even better.

EDIT: Forgot to add, I rotated CW 1 degree.

Mike

[Edited 2005-09-30 06:39:48]
 
JeffM
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RE: Lost Cause?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:53 pm

I went for a less "bright" background, and a little more breathing room, but that could easily be cropped away...

Used my custom "Mask Actions"

Click for full size...

http://home.comcast.net/~jwckmiller/anetstuff/test1.jpg
 
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RE: Lost Cause?

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:50 pm

The wonders of Photoshop! I agree both JeffM and Mikephotos versions look far better than mine. I'd like to try tinkering with the shot to see if I can get it to look as good as these using levels/curves vs. brightness/contrast. Thanks a lot for the help with this one!

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