linco22
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Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:55 am

Hi all,

We all know that the top DSLR's of today are capable of producing some of the best images around. But before I got my 350D i admired alot of the photos on here that were pin-sharp and silky smooth. Unfortunately i'm not convinced that my 350D is producing the silky smooth, noise free images i've seen on a.net.

I had downloaded a demo version of Neat Image a while back when I had my Z2 and I found it was acceptable to use in most cases. I was just wondering does anybody on here use noise removal software such as Neat Image as part of their post-processing?

My images still seem to have some sort of noticeable noise and grain compared to the best images on here taken with the same camera or similar. Yes I only use a 100-300mm USM lens but i still think my images are noisey to a certain degree. Just for example, take the following pics:


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Thanks in advance for any comments!

Colin
 
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:02 am

Hi Colin,

first of all the light conditions in the two posted pics are nowhere close to each other. That's an advantage that KLM777 pic got for sure. But it's definitely an awesome photo. I was also looking through your photos in the db and found them all to be a little noisy. What ISO are you shooting at. I hardly ever use NeatImage, maybe on one out of 30 photos or so, but just a little. Otherwise the pics get a plastic-look.

Cheers,
Sebastian
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:02 am

Hi Colin,

What ISO do you use? I use a 350D as well but never had problem with noise. I have taken shots with ISO 400 and still had pretty decent shots.

Ivan
 
linco22
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:06 am

None of my pics on here have been taken at more than ISO200. I know I havent had perfect conditions for any of my accepted photos(though when conditions are, I screw it all up....) Yes i do see that there is a big difference in the lighting between the 2 photos. Maybe not the best example, sorry!
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:16 am

Also, what kind of lenses do you have? Lenses play a very important role in picture quality.

Harry
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linco22
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:20 am

Hi Harry,

First 2 pics in my portfolio if you like, are taken with the 18-55mm kit lens and the others with my 100-300 USM. Its a budget lens so I dont expect 'L' quality obviously!

Colin
 
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JK
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:24 am

Heee,
There is of course a big difference between a 350D and for example D2X or 1DMkII.
I think Erwin uses a D2H or X.
And the light conditions are different.

I sometimes use Noiseware Pro.It gives good results against noise.

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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:43 am

i have used neat image a couple of times, used gently with care it can prove to be helpful

these 2 were taken on ISO 1600, (1/30th F8 i think from memory) 20D 17-85is.


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mrk25
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:04 am

Hi Colin, I have a 350D also. Unless there is very good light my images suffer from noise. The only time I get really good shots are on blue sky days. I also find in conditions that are not perfect the camera tends underexpose a great deal.

Regards
Mark
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:23 am

Yup, I use a D2X (with a Nikon 70-200 2.8 VR lens.)

Normally on iso 100 and when it is needed iso 200 or up to 800. This shot was 200 iso.

I do use NeatImage 5.0 Pro+. I also used a bit of NeatImage on this particular shot but not too much otherwise it will indeed look horrible. It is possible to get some great results with NeatImage, you just have to work on it a little.

Kind regards,
Erwin
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:27 am

Colin,
It is well known that the 350d has noise issues compared to it's siblings. It is documented on almost every review I've read on that camera. They are not really that bad, but as mentioned, "it ain't no 1dmkII"....

And this made me chuckle...

Quoting Mrk25 (Reply 8):
I also find in conditions that are not perfect the camera tends underexpose a great deal.

Mark, cameras don't underexpose...people do. If you set camera correctly, you won't get a poor exposure.  Wink
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:25 am

Jeffm, That didn't come out as I meant it. Say for example it is cloudy but bright. Set the camera up, take a test shot, review it on the screen. It looks o.k. Get home load all the pics up, all of them to dark. I have tried reducing the brightness of the lcd to try and compensate but it is then difficult to see. If the screen showed the image as to dark one could then make adjustments to compensate. I guess I should pay more attention to the histogram.
 
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting Mrk25 (Reply 11):
I guess I should pay more attention to the histogram.

Bingo. The LCD will fool you bigtime no matter what, I think the previews are automatically "autoleveled" to look good on the LCD or something. The histogram is the key. As far to the right as possible without overexposing =)
what seems to be the officer, problem?
 
linco22
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting Erwin972 (Reply 9):
Yup, I use a D2X (with a Nikon 70-200 2.8 VR lens.)

Normally on iso 100 and when it is needed iso 200 or up to 800. This shot was 200 iso.

I do use NeatImage 5.0 Pro+. I also used a bit of NeatImage on this particular shot but not too much otherwise it will indeed look horrible. It is possible to get some great results with NeatImage, you just have to work on it a little.

Kind regards,
Erwin

Beaten hands down by the D2X! Maybe my 'L' glass for next summer will improve things! And I hope you didnt mind me using one of your shots Erwin, thanks!

Colin
 
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting Mrk25 (Reply 11):
Get home load all the pics up, all of them to dark.

As mentioned, H I S T O G R A M...........or better yet, use a good handheld incident meter, but never rely on the LCD.

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 13):
Maybe my 'L' glass for next summer will improve things!

Buy all the L glass you want, but it won't make a difference when it comes to sensor noise.
 
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:47 pm

Even if there's some noticeable noise at high ISO, the 350 still has great high-ISO performance. If you want to see noise at ISO800 or 1600, have a look at the 300D.

Still, nothing's perfect, and at the price both cameras are still fantastic.


Cheers



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linco22
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RE: Noise Removal Software

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:10 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 14):
Buy all the L glass you want, but it won't make a difference when it comes to sensor noise.

Sorry, maybe worded it wrong! Just meant his kit was just a touch better than mine.....

Hi James, yeah it is a world better than me old Z2 so it isnt that bad really!

Colin

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