dc10tim
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Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:56 am

Hi everyone again,

After not really knowing what to do last week, both with the poor metering of my 300D and my monitor not being calibrated properly, I invested in a Colorplus device to calibrate the monitor, and hopefully get thing looking right. Bearing in mind it claims to produce a "correct" representation of colour, and not just what the eye perceives, I've been trusting it all week to do my editing.

However, I'm not a happy bunny. First of all, Adobe Gamma needs to be removed for it to work, which I couldn't find at first, but did eventually. Uninstalling Photoshop doesn't get rid of it, so it's a matter of phisically deleting it, which I did, then ran the calibration.

The problem is that after the calibration has been run, all the text on my new monitor seems blurred.

Does anyone else have any experience of using this program or the Spyder software, who can help out here?

Secondly, I am not convinced that I have the lighting correct on any of my uploads at all. Perhaps because of the metering, perhaps because he colour is wrong on the monitor and perhaps because of my inexperience. Whatever the reason, the linked shots below just don't seem right for some reason.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/atlanta74724l.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/brummiebaby.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/klm737nose2.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/bmiA330wing.jpg

As always, I need your help, so any constructive advice is welcome  Smile

Regards,

Tim.
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:04 am

My opinion, scrap your calibration tool. Use Adobe Gamma and your own eyes and judgement. Don't use a program to perceive what your own eyes can see. It may take some getting used to, but photography is, after all, an art form.
It took me a few months to get it right.
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:11 am

They look fine to me!
 
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting DC10Tim (Thread starter):
Secondly, I am not convinced that I have the lighting correct on any of my uploads at all.

They look normal on all 3 of my monitors.

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 1):
scrap your calibration tool. Use Adobe Gamma and your own eyes and judgement.



Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 1):
scrap your calibration tool. Use Adobe Gamma and your own eyes and judgement. Don't use a program to perceive what your own eyes can see.

??? The tool doesn't lie. Your eyes adjust for day light, florescent, incandescent, etc. In other words, your eyes do lie. I would stick with the tool.
 
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:26 pm

Hi Tim,

I will reply here as I still don't know what's going on with our emails.

As I said to you in the emails, the colours in all these look fine to me. I genuinely don't think you have anything to worry about. It is a bummer you have now found Adobe Gamma, as I was sure that would do the trick anyway - that's what I have used in the past.

I do wonder whether, in the end, all these things do roughly the same thing. If so, it may be appropriate to swallow hard, swap with Adobe Gamma again and see if you can see any difference in the pictures. You don't want any other aspects of your computer to be affected by this program, such as the text.

If I look at your Atlanta 747, and compare it to my shot, they look pretty much the same in terms of colour:

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I reckon your colour is fine - you can chill  biggrin .

Take care.

Paul
 
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:51 pm

I think your colours look fine Tim, but IMHO the shots are slightly overexposed. There's some loss of detail around the nose area. Probably fixable in PS for these shots.
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dc10tim
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:53 pm

Thanks for the responses.

Morning Paul, I don't think that you're getting any of my emails at all now. Maybe I'm becoming a little paranoid, but all your shots from last Saturday seem to be more saturated and have generally a warmer feel to them than mine. Also getting the brightness correct is becoming a pain. That lovely blue sky looks like an impending thunderstorm on a lot of the edits. Again, that might just be my inexperience with editing the slightly underexposed originals. There's no way I can have the text blurred likle it is. Unless I can find a way around the problem, it's back to the shop on Monday.

Jeff, I seem to recall you recommending using a calibration tool in another thread. Have you come accross any problems with text appearing slightly out of focus? Could there be some elements of Adobe Gamma still lurking there interfering with the Colorplus program?

Regards,

Tim.
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:24 pm

Tim, if I was producing shots like that i'd no questions at all! They all look fine! Even on my bog standard 15" Dell TFT monitor in work which usually adds a big spoonful of noise and grain compared to my 17" CRT at home. Keep the good shots coming Tim


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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:33 pm

Quoting DC10Tim (Thread starter):
Secondly, I am not convinced that I have the lighting correct on any of my uploads at all. Perhaps because of the metering, perhaps because he colour is wrong on the monitor and perhaps because of my inexperience. Whatever the reason, the linked shots below just don't seem right for some reason.



Quoting JeffM (Reply 3):
They look normal on all 3 of my monitors.

Tim I would have to agree with Jeff and the others, those shots look brilliant to me mate, real crackers. Colour is fine too, if anything excellent. It's just made me even more inclined to buy this calibration tool. Sorry Goran  white 

I would upload them Tim, nice shots . Lets hope we get some good weather tomorrow, see you there.

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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:46 pm

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 8):
Lets hope we get some good weather tomorrow, see you there.

Hi Fergul, hope you're well! If only i'd known you were heading over tomorrow i'd have put off my trip to MAN back in August. I hope you get the weather, I didnt, it was horrible!

Colin
 
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RE: Banging My Head Against A Brick Wall Yet Again!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:23 pm

Tim, I would also say that the pictures look ok (if not a little warm) on my monitor (iiyama TFT).

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