PUnmuth@VIE
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NOA_double: Changed

Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:31 pm

Hi all!
As the NOA_double reason seems to be one of the most discussed we started to redefine it. Yes we know it's still not perfect, but see it please as a first step.
The reject reasons can be found here:
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/reasons.php
the one we are talking about is here
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/reasons.php#double

For your convenience here is the complete text with the changes outlined in red.
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You already have photos of this aircraft in the Airliners.Net database that are the same as or very similar to these photo(s).

In order to receive this rejection, the other (similar) photos in the database must also have been taken by you, at the same day and at the same airport. Please do not upload multiple sequential shots of an aircraft during landing, taxiing or take-off, taken only a few seconds apart. Eventhough these photos may appear to be from different angles, we consider them similar. Please select the best shot from the sequence and upload only that one. One shot taken during landing, and another during take-off will generally NOT be considered a DOUBLE error.

In certain cases you can also get this rejection if there are photos in the database that are nearly identical to the one(s) rejected here, but taken on another date by you. Examples of this are photos of stored or preserved aircraft that have not moved since you took the other photos.

For window views we accept 2 shots per flight and side of aircraft when they show considerable different motives. So in other words the maximum number of accepted window views of the same registration on the same flight all taken by you would be 4.

For cabin views we allow 2 shots per registration, date and photographer, when they show considerable different motives. The same applies for cockpit views.


Note: This situation will also occur if there are other photos very similar to these that are still in the upload queue and are waiting for the final screening.
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We truly hope this helps.
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waketurbulence
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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:07 pm

That's good news! Thanks to the crew for going over the rule and tweaking it somewhat. This now gives me an excuse if a flight attendant asks me why I am bouncing between the left and right side of the cabin!  bouncy  Just kidding of course.
-Matt
 
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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:16 pm

Thanks Peter for letting us know the changes. Much appreciated.
 
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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:23 pm

Very good to see there's finally some clearification on rules of baddoubles.

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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:38 pm

Peter, I appreciate the clarification but I think the window views part is a little strict and I would like to give and example. Every once in a while you take a flight where you have great light and interesting subjects out the window. Moving from side to side is often not possible, especially at low altitudes when much of the interesting photo ops occur, personally I would prefer 3 total per flight (same side or either side) instead of two per side for a total of 4. On this particular departure from LGA I had these two accepted
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Photo © Ron Peel
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Photo © Ron Peel

I later uploaded this one not aware of the two per side rule so it was rejected for NOA_double.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ections/big/N932AN_5_IF_4JUL05.jpg

I think it is a more interesting shot than the first Marina view as it has the NYC skyline and US Open Tennis Center visible. Most of my NYC window views have gotten lots of positive comments and e-mails, so I know the rejected shot would be very popular (BTW the Shea Stadium shot is my most popular on the db ! ) Screeners if I had the first (Marina) shot removed would the rejeceted shot likely be accepted ? Does the three total per flight not 2+2 = 4 total suggestion have merit ? What do my fellow window view uploaders think ?

Respectfully

Ron Peel
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dc10tim
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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Thread starter):
For window views we accept 2 shots per flight and side of aircraft when they show considerable different motives.

Thanks for letting us know what the postition is regarding window shots, this seemed to be something of a "grey area" before.

Tim.
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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Thread starter):
Please select the best shot from the sequence and upload only that one. One shot taken during landing, and another during take-off will generally NOT be considered a DOUBLE error. For window views we accept 2 shots per flight and side of aircraft when they show considerable different motives

Why the difference? Why allow only one picture of a takeoff, and yet allow two from a window? Window shots have to include some part of the airplane in them, so fundamentally it is very difficult to achieve a considerably different motive unless you take the background into consideration. And if you take the background into consideration, then the motive isn't the aeroplane so why in that case has the aircraft to be in the picture at all?

Surely, ONE picture of a takeoff means only ONE from a window?

Andy
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pepef
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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:10 am

Fellows, just follow the new rules ok. He wasn't asking us, he was telling us and there's a subtle difference there.The new rules are fair enough and more lenient than before,  Smile and clearer than before.

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PUnmuth@VIE
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RE: NOA_double: Changed

Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:03 am

We just tried to clear up a somewhat unclear area (together with Johan i might add here). So lets just try it and see how it works ok?
Just a suggestion.
Thanks
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