nirmalmakadia
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How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:06 pm

Hi everybody...

I don't know if this thing is discussed here in past or not, but I would like to know how do most of you shoot? Auto Focus or Manual Focus.

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:25 pm

Quoting Nirmalmakadia (Thread starter):
How Do The Pros Shoot?

I am no pro!!!! but I do hope to take it up professionaly in the next year or so. From what I have read the general consensus is that we use Av mode, Aperture priority. This also is the method that most of the serious photographers in my camera club use as well. For aviation most will use around the f8-f11 mark but portrait photography I use f11. Landscape up to f22 so the my foreground is in focus as well.

Hope that helps

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 1):
Landscape up to f22 so the my foreground is in focus as well.

Hi Ferg,

That answers a few questions! I usually use Av though sometimes 'M'. And thats the range I use too. And i'm not even close to bein an amateur never mind a pro! Cheers mate. How are things at DUB? Anything interesting going on? I'm still meaning to get down. I dont know why I dont take advantage of it only bein 2 hours away!

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:55 pm

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 2):
That answers a few questions! I usually use Av though sometimes 'M'. And thats the range I use too

Glad to help Colin, The club I am with is very good and helpfull, you learn so much from photographers who have won international awards for Ireland and they will do anything to help. Each photographer has his own speciality, be it, Landscape or children or still life. I have brought a bit of aviation photography to the club and my shot of the Spitfire at Weston which I converted to B&W came second in the monochrome section, 1 point behind the winner, which I have to admit deservedly won. But they all seem to use Av mode on their cameras. When doing close up, Macro the aperture goes up quite considerably as your DOF is very shallow so close but you need a very stong Tripod when doing that as well as for landscape photography.

DUB is still busy Colin, especially on a Saturday. I am away this weekend but will be free next weekend, 5th Nov. Give me shout when you want to come down but check the weather first and I will meet up with you no problem.

Take care

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:57 pm

I'm also not a pro but use followings settings on my DSLR:
I mainly shoot in "M" (manual) mode. For monitoring the exposure I always use the histogram. Furthermore I mainly use f/8 as aperture setting. For props I use higher apertures. For focusing I use the Auto-Focus, which for my Canon L lenses is very fast and very accurate.

If you can, you should try to shoot RAW to capture as much information as possible.

For the processing I use 16-Bit Adobe RGB which I convert to 8 bit sRGB when I finished the processing.

Hope this helps you a little.

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:04 pm

Mostly aperture priority, with autofocus.

(Self-plug) for shots like this.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/922485/M/

But for the shot below I used shutter priority (I/80th), to get the prop-blur effect.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/920161/M/
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:31 pm

Dam nice shots Viv!! Love that prop blur   

A very quick way to change your settings for prop blur is simply set your Tv mode to 1/125 or less, then when in normal Av shooting mode and a prop plane comes along just trun the dial to Tv mode and you're set up for you props, learnt that from Mick Bajcar.

Fergul   

Edit: Sometimes you have to mess around with the shutter speed to get your required blur affect, but the most common speed is around the 1/125

[Edited 2005-10-28 14:33:34]
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:40 pm

Thanks, Fergul.

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 6):
Sometimes you have to mess around with the shutter speed to get your required blur affect, but the most common speed is around the 1/125

Yes, it all depends on the situation. Get out there and shoot, shoot, shoot. A t least with digital it costs less (than film).
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 7):
A t least with digital it costs less (than film).

Exactly you can have a very quick check to see if you have the required blur affect and then change as required. 

Quoting Viv (Reply 7):
Thanks, Fergul.

You're welcome, dam that prop blur affect is good. here is another good one Viv.

View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Janne Laukkonen - FAP




Fergul   

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:54 pm

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 8):
here is another good one Viv.

My God, that Electra is beautiful!
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:58 pm

Quoting Nirmalmakadia (Thread starter):
Auto Focus or Manual Focus.

In my understanding your question is wether people FOCUS manually or automatically? You aren't talking about camera modes, are you?

I use autofocus, and I guess that's what most of us do. Way faster and more accurate than manual.

Quoting Jhribar (Reply 4):
Furthermore I mainly use f/8 as aperture setting. For props I use higher apertures.

F.8 is generally a good stop to shoot at in terms of aviation photography.

Of course it all depends what effect you want to achive. Depth of field is something very important to consider when shooting, especially non-av.
It can make shots with cluttered background a lot more pleasing to look at. Not wanting to teach you photography basics here, if you want to get more information and learn, google it, or get a good photography book.
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:06 pm

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 3):
DUB is still busy Colin, especially on a Saturday. I am away this weekend but will be free next weekend, 5th Nov. Give me shout when you want to come down but check the weather first and I will meet up with you no problem.

I know i've been meaning to get done since the summer. I keep putting it off but I will make it down this side of xmas and now I have 4 wheels its much handier. I'll let you know when Fergul cheers.

Also on the camera side of things, I was at BHD last Saturday. I was shooting at f10/f11 as it was very sunny, mid morning. A few of my shots turned out a little dark. The camera had used a high shutter speed of around 1/1000/1250th. I brighten a few up with levels/curves and they've turned out pretty nice but how would a cure the darkness in the first place? Shot is linked below. Its in the que now

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...y/airwalesatr42knnyatbhd221005.jpg

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:27 pm

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 11):
how would a cure the darkness in the first place?

Overexpose? Just an idea Wink

it needs cw rotation btw.

Cheers
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:31 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 12):
Overexpose? Just an idea

it needs cw rotation btw.

Cheers
Tim

Hi Tim,

Thanks for your input! mmm true, I never think of these things when i'm out there. But I would have thought that because it was sunny overexposing would make it worse. So you think I needs cw rotation? I did, 0.3. I used the tanks in the background and posts that i've cropped out. Guess thats not gonna make it then because I quite like it! Awk well

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:43 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 12):
Overexpose? Just an idea

On sunny day with a white a/c, you're kidding. When it's sunny Colin I always underexpose my shots. Just stop down one notch.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 12):
it needs cw rotation btw

Thought it looked good to me, level and all. If you rotate it Tim the building will slope!

Take care

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PS: Colin, I am away from the 16th Dec, so it will have to be sometime in Nov or very early Dec.
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:55 pm

Quoting Nirmalmakadia (Thread starter):
Auto Focus or Manual Focus.

For moving things, Auto-focus is much easir these days, as most consumer level dslrs have very poor focusing screens that make manual focus a pain.

For stationary subjects (non-av) often I will get my initial focus from the camera, then fine tune the focus manually with AF set to off. This allows consistent focus over numerous shots without having to worry about selecting a focus zone shift.

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 1):
From what I have read the general consensus is that we use Av mode, Aperture priority. This also is the method that most of the serious photographers in my camera club use as well.

Ferg, none of your clubs members use an incident meter? How serious can they be? A simple Sekonic 358 of Minolta IV blow away the inacurate built in camera meters, though a good understanding of when to use them an when to keep it in the bag helps. What are they shooting that nobody uses one? It is an absolute "Must Have" for portraits, I can't imagine setting up a five light set without one, how do you do it?.

Nirmal,
Try to think of your camera and all it's bells and whistles as a tool box. You don't use a hammer for everything, or a screwdriver do you? Learn to use all the functions and settings of course, but learn the difference between them and when to use one over the other and you will be ahead of the game. From reading the above remarks, it seems many just use the same one over and over.
 
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:11 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 15):
You don't use a hammer for everything, or a screwdriver do you?

Stop getting technical Jeff........
 
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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:13 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 15):
Ferg, none of your clubs members use an incident meter? How serious can they be?

They do Jeff!! and they are very serious, award winners. I just didn't include it in my post as I thought I had given enough info. I will order myself one like you posted in that other thread that you were involved in a while back, thanks for that info.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 15):
It is an absolute "Must Have" for portraits, I can't imagine setting up a five light set without one, how do you do it?.

We do the same Jeff, we spend more time in setting up than just taking a shot. Your camera, is what I have learnt, is the last thing you touch. We would set up our lighting using a meter to get our desired f11.
You have some very good points Jeff, Cheers.

Like I said I'm no pro.

Take care

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:19 pm

Me, Ahh jes' pernt the dang thang at the ol' airplane, an' hope for the best.

Mos'ly, ahh leaves the lens cap on.

'f Ahh had my druthers, Ahh'd use a hammer ...

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:25 pm

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 17):
They do Jeff!! and they are very serious, award winners. I just didn't include it in my post

That is good to hear! Nothing like being around people that know what they are doing, or at least fake it well.  Wink I figured someone probably used one.

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 17):
Your camera, is what I have learnt, is the last thing you touch.

BINGO! Exactly right, Though I do like to chimp the display to make sure I've set the ratios correctly, but I do that less, and less the more I do it. I usually do it more on outdoor portraits then indoor as it is harder for me to control the light outdoors. But indoors I trust the meter and it has not been wrong yet.

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 17):
we spend more time in setting up than just taking a shot.

Lately, I've been enjoying the setup portion more then anything else. When you nail the setup with multiple lights it can be very satisfying.

Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 17):
Like I said I'm no pro.

Me either, I think if I had to do photography for a living, it would just become work. I enjoy taking assignments and projects that I want, when I want for now, having to take or find one to ensure I eat the next day wouldn't be as enjoyable.

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:37 pm

Hi Jeff,

I have to confess that 90% of my photography(since i've really got into it over the last 6 months) is aviation. I've only taught myself so much and most of the advice, in all of it, has come from people on here and other sites like dpreview and the like. I'm sure I come across an amateur but thats what I am. And i'm pretty sure that compared to the majority of people on here, my knowlegde of photography is very small!

* gonna crawl back into my box now......*

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 19):
Me either, I think if I had to do photography for a living, it would just become work. I enjoy taking assignments and projects that I want, when I want for now, having to take or find one to ensure I eat the next day wouldn't be as enjoyable.

Sure, but I simply love photography. I don't mind the weddings, in fact I quite like them, but once you have a name for yourself you can afford to be a bit choosy. I am moving to a new part of the country next Jan, well Tina's home town, of Enniscorthy, and there are very few photographers around there, so I hope to make a name for myself. I want to do this for a living. The house we have just bought has a double story garage which I intend to turn into a studio downstairs and then have all my computers and worktops upstairs. Hopefully I will get it working by next summer. I have no intention of using it for my car  just put a big window where the door is and let all that natural light in 

Quoting JeffM (Reply 19):
Nothing like being around people that know what they are doing

It is Jeff, simply brilliant and they are so willing to help out too. We organize so many outings and each photographer has his own field. One photographer organizes a lot of trips to places like Iran, India, Cuba to name a few and he specializes in photographing people, there is a name for that type of photography but it escapes me now. Another organizes trips around the countries. You'd be bankrupt if you went on them all but they are there if you want to join. I'm gonna miss it when I move down the country, but I am in line to join another camera club there.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 19):
Though I do like to chimp the display to make sure I've set the ratios correctly

LOL, Me too!  Smile

Take care

Fergul   

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:04 am

Thanks Guys.....all of you where great help.....let the tips keep coming....

Regards

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RE: How Do The Pros Shoot?

Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:05 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 19):
Though I do like to chimp the display...

You're not a pro unless you master the fine art of chimping  Wink

Mike

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