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Should I Appeal?

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:40 am

Hey guys, just had this one rejected for bad motiv. Thinking about appealing but not sure so I figure I would put it to a vote. I have had several others with the same motiv accepted so I am curious as to why this one was deemed a bad motive. Anyway, here is the photo"

Only rejection reason given was the motiv so the quality is not an issue here.

So should I just leave it in the private collection or appeal?
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RE: Should I Appeal?

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:46 am

Good shot, but i can see the motive as it is a pic of a mall.. looks cool, if you dont mind, im gonna save this on the hd for wallpapers. But i think this is one for the private collection
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RE: Should I Appeal?

Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:48 am

Hi there,
nice aerial view, but just not enough airplane-related content, in my opinion. The difference between this and other out-of-the-window views might be that you just don't have enough "airplane parts" on it.
The other aspect is that if the mall had been an airfield, it would have been fine as well.
So I don't think you have a chance on appeal. That's one no vote I guess.
Once again, nice shot though...
All the best!
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RE: Should I Appeal?

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:12 pm

Alright, thanks for the input guys... Photo is dead on arrival, darn.
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RE: Should I Appeal?

Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting Atomother (Thread starter):
Should I Appeal?

No , as stated above - to less a/c ...

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RE: Should I Appeal?

Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:19 am

What is the subject of the picture?

Not obvious to me.
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RE: Should I Appeal?

Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:28 am

Well, the subject is obviously "flying while over a mall".

In terms of there not being enough airplane in the shot, I don't buy that as there are thousands of other photos on here that have just as much airplane in the shot. If it because there is a urban shopping area in the photo instead of a nice mountain view or a nice sunset/cloud formation kind of thing, I can easily understand that.

The "not enough airplane" reason is not a good enough reason for me though.
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RE: Should I Appeal?

Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:38 am

The 'not enough airplane' argument is disingenuous; It's been stated before that this is not a travel site, and therefore one cannot justify wing views where something on the ground is clearly the subject.

Of course, that's rubbish. The main reason people take these things is because of what you can see out the window; there's plenty of examples in the DB where similar amounts of aircraft structure are visible and yet the subject is a landmark or well-known building.

The rejection was because it featured a shopping mall - not enough appeal for the unfamiliar viewer.

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RE: Should I Appeal?

Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:02 am

I would like to weigh in here in support of Tim and James. The reality is that views out of the cabin - much though I often really like them - are questionable on a site that claims to be a database for aircraft. I can't really see how a portion of wing/engine adds to a database, or can always be construed as having a primarily aviation-related motive (when it is apparent to all that the actual motive for the photographer - and the reason the viewer opens the photo - is the landmark/landscape on the ground, the lighting, the cloud formations etc).

This boils down to motive - and once again this is an area where there is so much subjectivity. I won't post examples, but I am sure the majority of readers will have come across many examples where there is a similar amount of 'aeroplane' in shot to Tim's photo. As I say, I don't have a problem personally with interesting shots from the aircraft being accepted to the site, other than the fact that it clouds issues of internal consistency regarding acceptance criteria. I guess it boils down to whether you can argue that the subject matter is aviation-related or geography/meteorology/tourism etc related. This screener clearly felt there wasn't enough aviation-related motive. But the same could equally be said for loads more examples.

But this is an interesting debating issue.

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RE: Should I Appeal?

Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:00 am

Yeah, that I can agree with. I think it is an interesting photo for pilots familiar with that particular airport since it is a huge landmark in the pattern (not that I teach people to use landmarks for pattern work). If you takeoff from that runway though, that is your view and I thought it was pretty neat. If you have never been to this airport/area then it is simply a view of a mall. I wasn't looking at it through the eyes of a person who does not fly and who has never been in that area though, perhaps I should from now on?

To me the photo is very interesting as it shows landmarks just at the end of a runway. I guess you have to draw a line somewhere though and since the majority of people who look at this site probably have never flown a plane before, they don't see it from my point of view.

For me, I will never understand why cabin photos are so popular here. I have taken 3 or 4 and they were very popular but I mean come on, its a seat, the pilot in me could care less, the pilot in me is more interested in views from a plane than view from 6C. I suppose the business traveler that looks at the site though could care less about my view and wants to see the view from 6C.

Different strokes for different folks... I have more photos in the queue that hopefully will be creative enough to get in. I guess I can just use this as a learning tool.

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