javibi
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Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:15 am

Hi,

I have tried my luck several times with night action shots with little success in terms of A.net acceptance; this is my last rejection:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r..._10_26_IMG_4294_ECIGZ_filtered.jpg

It was shot about half an hour after sunset at 1/15 sec. and rejected because of being dark; the fact is that is fairly difficult to shoot action at NIGHT and not to get a somehow dark shot, like for example this beauty, one of my A.net favorites:


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It is dark because it HAS to be dark, it is night after all, don't you think?

At the same time other types of shots, in which the plane is waaay darker keep (luckily) getting accepted:


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So I feel that with the actual rules night action shots are almost impossible to get accepted, though it is clear that in a lot of other cases the rules are not that strict regarding this matter. Since I wish to see more action night shots in A.net (even better if they are mine  Wink ), I request the screeners to clarify and possibly reconsider the rules regarding this kind of shots.

Thank you.

j
 
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:20 am

man i love this EVA shot!!!! it's like my christmas wish to have more photos in the database like this one! altough quality is far below standard there would be a potential market for those shots here

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/dxbramophand.jpg
i got this one rejected a few days ago ( ok, mabye not such a good example but still  Smile )

chris

[Edited 2005-11-28 20:25:19]
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MarkJBeckwith
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:40 am

I think pictures taken in the last or first hour of light are the hardest to get accepted, particularly if they are not backlit, because they are so hard to get right. The examples you site are truely wonderful pictures taken by very competant photographers. I hope one day to be able to shoot pics like that.

Your picture is unfortunately very grainy, a function of the conditions under which it was taken. Here's a recent one on mine that was rightly rejected for NOA_Dark



though I consider it a Motiv rejection really as the pic is exactly what I was trying for!

Ultimately, this is a Database with very high standards of technical excellence and your (and plenty of mine) picture doesn't reach the level required. It doesn't make it a bad photo, far from it as your's is a very pleasing shot, but it does mean that it doesn't make it to this database.

Cheers;

Mark.

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vasanthd
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:41 am

Hi Javi,
Its a great photo taken at 1/15 sec. But the comparatively bright sky makes me feel the aircraft as a Bad dark. Did you try adjusting the curves?

A similar photo is self plugged here...

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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting MarkJbeckwith (Reply 2):
I think pictures taken in the last or first hour of light are the hardest to get accepted, particularly if they are not backlit, because they are so hard to get right.

Do what?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/N931FRarr16LDEN.jpg
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Were you trying to say "Particularly if they are backlit?"
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MarkJBeckwith
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:55 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 4):
Were you trying to say "Particularly if they are backlit?"

No, did you not read the sentence? I said they were hard, not impossible.

Mark.
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Psych
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:55 am

Hi Javier - I hope you are keeping well.

For me this rejection shows that you are still - in my eyes - the master when it comes to panning shots. However, I can understand the rejection.

I think the problem is that, overall, the photo is very dark - not just the aircraft itself - your eyes almost have to search for the subject. In Ryan's photo there is a lot more light and the motive is evidently a nighttime shot. I think if you had brighter lights in shot, or larger lights from the aircraft, the result may be different. For what it's worth, the sunset shots are completely different for me in terms of motive.

But I completely understand the basis of your question. I think this is a good example where two different rules combine - i.e. dark + motive. For a silhouette shot I would argue the motive is for there to be no detail at all visible on the plane, so I can see the rationale for such a shot not getting a 'dark' rejection. However, these are - in my mind - clearly 'artistic' photos, of which I would love to see a lot more on the site, and that challenges the 'database' notion of the site's main purpose. But, as a supporter of A.net broadening the type of shots they accept, I really like to see such motives.

I also support you in testing the boundaries of what will be accepted - please continue and ignore your acceptance ratio - yours remain excellent photos.

All the best.

Paul
 
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:13 am

Javier,

A nice shot but I agree with the rejection. I admire your skills in getting this shot though Wink

Quoting Javibi (Thread starter):
It is dark because it HAS to be dark, it is night after all, don't you think?

This is not a valid argument IMO. Nightshots have to offer something more than just darkness, after all there has to be something to see. Ryan's shot is a fine example. It's shot at night, but several items are highlighted (tail, landinglights etc).

The other shots you mention are of a different kind. In a profile shot a dark plane only adds to the situation. had your dc8 been situated against the orange sky in the background it would have been different.

Cheers and keep trying.
Tim
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mygind66
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:31 am

Hi Javier...

Next time try to locate near the rwy a 2000watt floodlight and will be perfect  Wink

All the best

Enrique
 
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:59 am

Hi Javier,

I have to agree with the NOA_dark rejection like pointed out by the others. The background is simply too dark to make the silhouette of the DC-8 stand out.

Quoting Mygind66 (Reply 8):
Next time try to locate near the rwy a 2000watt floodlight and will be perfect

Good idea; you should try this (read the caption  Wink):


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mygind66
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 9):
Good idea; you should try this (read the caption ) :

All is already invented my goodness Big grin

Now let's see how Javier manage this with a panning shot!

Cheers

Enrique
 
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:19 am

Rejected for quality and dark. Please clarify the dark. Isnt a cockpit at night, dark? Ill keep trying.

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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting MarkJBeckwith (Reply 5):

No, did you not read the sentence? I said they were hard, not impossible.

Mark,

I read the sentence. I've found in my experience that getting backlit shots to work perfectly takes alot more work than frontlighting. The examples above were frontlit, would you care to see some backlit?
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:45 pm

Quoting Mygind66 (Reply 8):
Next time try to locate near the rwy a 2000watt floodlight and will be perfect

always handy to have someone wondering around with a flood light  spin 


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javibi
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RE: Requesting Screeners To Clarify NOAdark

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:31 pm

Quoting Psych (Reply 6):
Hi Javier - I hope you are keeping well.

Hi Paul, thanks, I am more than good after a month of traveling around Australia  Smile

Thanks to everyone for your inputs, I appreciate all of them. Have no doubt I'll keep trying, though (wait for my upcoming SYD shots, if I manage to get them accepted)  Wink

j

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