cosec59
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Why Worry About Rejections?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:10 pm

Seems to me that sometimes having a photo rejected is seen as a personal thing. I see rejection as positive. It makes me think harder about my up loads and what I am trying to acheive and aspire to.
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linco22
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:12 pm

You sound like you're on the right track there.....
 
Gary2880
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:18 pm

my ratio is 50% im kinda used to it.. water off a ducks back
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cosec59
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:20 pm

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 2):
my ratio is 50% im kinda used to it.. water off a ducks back

But do you accept it a positive and change your approach to the pics you upload?
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willo
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:32 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 3):
and change your approach to the pics you upload?

No, I use the same approach for all my pictures because I am taking them for myself. If they happen to be good enough for anet, fine. What submitting to anet has done is help me improve my editing skills (although my recent plummet in acceptance ratio doesn't bear this out! Sad)
 
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:57 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 3):
But do you accept it a positive and change your approach to the pics you upload?

to the pictures I upload yes, not the pictures I take. I now only upload my boring ones to a.net.

I may try a border line one now and again but not very often.. If a few are rejected for, e.g. dust, fair enough... I cant see it, you don't want them I'm happy with them on my pbase.. Wouldn't spend god knows how long attempting to clone out every spot now.. (and there's a lot!) I'll just attempt the more blindingly obvious ones. Plenty of other photographers to take my place
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 5):
I now only upload my boring ones to a.net

Sad.

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Gary2880
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting Javibi (Reply 6):

why? I've tried my more interesting ones and their not wanted. Waste of my time and screeners time

my humble apology's that I don't have the talent and skills that you do to get more interesting ones accepted

[Edited 2005-11-30 16:11:30]
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 7):
their not wanted.

This is why I think it is sad; I am under the impression a lot of people do as you do, submit only boring shots to A.net. And of course I do not like that.

Regards

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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:23 am

We have different ideas of the word sad! Thought it was odd coming from you in the context I had taken it in. sorry if i sounded nippy in my reply

http://www.pbase.com/gary2880/image/47398508

I love that photo, bad center. (I made it level before I uploaded to a.net as well BTW)

however I would have liked to have been able to upload this one as i think it is interesting.

http://www.pbase.com/gary2880/image/47398471

i ended up getting this one accepted


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Gary Stewart



which ill be the first to admit is boring as hell
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NIKV69
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 12:57 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Seems to me that sometimes having a photo rejected is seen as a personal thing. I see rejection as positive. It makes me think harder about my up loads and what I am trying to achieve and aspire to.

YES!  yes  Finally someone with the right attitude! It has also amazed me how many here take their rejections like it's a personal vendetta against them from the screeners. You should do exactly the opposite and use the rejection as a positive and improve your photos.  thumbsup 

It is great to see a thread like this instead of the same "why did my pic get rejected when these are in the DB" crap!  crazy 

Good luck and enjoy the site.
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 10):
"why did my pic get rejected when these are in the DB" crap!

Most of the time that "crap" is people asking for help or asking how can their shots be improved..
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 11):
Most of the time that "crap" is people asking for help or asking how can their shots be improved..

Actually Kaz it is not. You have been spending too much time in Non-av. People that post those whining threads which include pictures from other photogs that are already in the DB for comparison are basically saying the screeners rejected their pics wrongfully. With reasons ranging from stupidity, bias, impossible standards etc. If someone wanted an opinion they would ask for it and not include the drama.  footinmouth 
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Actually Kaz it is not. You have been spending too much time in Non-av. People that post those whining threads which include pictures from other photogs that are already in the DB for comparison are basically saying the screeners rejected their pics wrongfully. With reasons ranging from stupidity, bias, impossible standards etc. If someone wanted an opinion they would ask for it and not include the drama.

So because I post in another forum that reflects on my posts here?

Everyone is entitled to ask up front why their pics are rejected, Maybe they was rejected for the right reason and maybe for the wrong. If they want other members opinions then where is the problem in that?

Not everyone is perfect and have to learn somewhere and somehow.
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cosec59
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 13):
Everyone is entitled to ask up front why their pics are rejected

That is explained in the E mail and on the rejected photos section
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 14):

That is explained in the E mail and on the rejected photos section

Oh so this rules out a second opinion? or explanation of the rejection? or better understanding?
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 13):
So because I post in another forum that reflects on my posts here?

No, not at all. Just merely pointing out the inaccuracy of this statement.

Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 11):
Most of the time that "crap" is people asking for help or asking how can their shots be improved..

The "crap" I was referring to was posts that are meant to be standoffish to the screeners and to imply that their pictures were wrongly rejected. They are not meant to ask for advice as to how to improve them as you suggested. If you were in this forum more and actually read the posts you would understand this.
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cosec59
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:48 am

Quoting Pilot kaz (Reply 15):
Oh so this rules out a second opinion?

Nope. But surely the only opinion that matters is that of the screener. If their comments are taken on board and used in a positive way, it will lead to all of us getting less rejections and reduce the workload of the screener
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
They are not meant to ask for advice as to how to improve them as you suggested. If you were in this forum more and actually read the posts you would understand this.

I do read this forum, But I Don't post that much, why? Because I am no expert in photography but wanting to learn by reading more of the forum.

Maybe it would be better to ask here if it was rightly rejected rather than appeal it and waste screeners time.
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Jkw777
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:51 am

Rejections have made me more "picky" about what I upload. Since changing my attitude my acceptance ratio has jumped up to 86%. So it works positively towards my technique.

But in the grand scheme of life, getting a shot rejected from Anet doesn't stop me from sleeping. As if I don't have enough to worry about in the real world!

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Actually Kaz it is not. You have been spending too much time in Non-av. People that post those whining threads which include pictures from other photogs that are already in the DB for comparison are basically saying the screeners rejected their pics wrongfully. With reasons ranging from stupidity, bias, impossible standards etc. If someone wanted an opinion they would ask for it and not include the drama.

Personally I'd be gutted to see another person comparing my uploaded shot to their rejected shot. But really I'd try and help them if I could. Who cares really?! However if they called my shot worthless I'd be asking them to show me something spectacular before I let them get away with it.

At the end of the day, the crux is... It's only a hobby, something that most of us do to relax.

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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:56 am

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 19):
Since changing my attitude my acceptance ratio has jumped up to 86%. So it works positively towards my technique.

And that's why the screeners do such a good job!  Wink

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 19):
getting a shot rejected from Anet doesn't stop me from sleeping.

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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 14):
That is explained in the E mail and on the rejected photos section

Actually I'm with Kaz on this. A bland "NOAquality" is often insufficient for the less experienced of us. Coming to the forum and possibly using other pictures for comparison can be necessary to get a better understanding of the rejection and what is required to rectify the problem.

Maybe how that question is posed shows the difference as to whether the poster is seen as genuinely wanting help or is merely being a "whiner".
 
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Willo (Reply 21):
the difference as to whether the poster is seen as genuinely wanting help or is merely being a "whiner".

Not a whiner, Phil is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet and I think he was very sincere in his question to be honest.

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 19):
It's only a hobby, something that most of us do to relax.

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NIKV69
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Willo (Reply 21):
Actually I'm with Kaz on this. A bland "NOAquality" is often insufficient for the less experienced of us. Coming to the forum and possibly using other pictures for comparison can be necessary to get a better understanding of the rejection and what is required to rectify the problem.

Maybe how that question is posed shows the difference as to whether the poster is seen as genuinely wanting help or is merely being a "whiner".

I agree with you a 100%. The way to do this is either email one of the screeners and ask their opinion. They ARE more than willing to help in this way. Months back I was helped by Justin Cedarholm who went as far as to edit for me too! Without me asking! Further proof that they are here to help and willing to sacrifice their time. OR, post a thread here asking for advice. At no point should you ever use another photogs pic in your thread or infer the pic was rejected wrongly. It is downright rude.
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 22):
Not a whiner, Phil is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet and I think he was very sincere in his question to be honest.

I wasn't refering to this thread specifically, I'm sure Phil's a lovely bloke!  Smile, It was more a general observation of what's gone on in the past.

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 19):
Personally I'd be gutted to see another person comparing my uploaded shot to their rejected shot.

It depends on the context. If the question is put politely and there's no out and out critisism of your accepted shot, does it do any harm?
 
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RE: Why Worry About Rejections?

Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:46 pm

Quoting Willo (Reply 24):
It depends on the context. If the question is put politely and there's no out and out critisism of your accepted shot, does it do any harm?

I did follow on from there with:

"But really I'd try and help them if I could. Who cares really?!"

If they were polite about it then fine I'd have no issue but if it was done with a malice kind of approach I'd bite back a little.

Like I said Gentlemen, it's only a hobby. It's not supposed to be stressful in the slightest.

9VSPO, why are you winking at me?! Sick fool! Big grin

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