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derekf
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Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:28 am

These have all been rejected for angle. Any clues?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20051227_EGCC_191205_GEUPT.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../20051227_EGCC_191205_LZHMQ_02.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../20051227_EGCC_191205_LZHMQ_01.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...ig/20051224_EGCC_191205_N227PE.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20051224_EGCC_191205_GGFFB.jpg

This one for info - again no idea why - thought it might be quite interesting as Coldplay were playing that night in Manchester . I guess the moment's gone now.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20051227_EGCC_191205_GCDFS.jpg

I think I had it down as special scheme and business aircraft as well. Might be useful to give info rejections a bit of a hint as to what is wrong rather leave it to guesswork as to why it has been rejected.

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:03 am

The first four are not level.

Regarding the last one, special schemes apply to airliners only, not business jets.
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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:16 am

Viv

Thanks for that. Can you tell where you measured the non-level ones as being unlevel. I'm obviously using different criteria to everyone else.

The last one is in a City airlines modified colour scheme but is being used as a business transport I was told.

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:24 am

Hi Derek..

Perhaps I'm wrong but the reason I see is not related with they're level or not. 1 and 2 are not cabin nor side on shots. The 3rd pic the a/c is not centered, you should rework again from the original photo and crop less the right wing, 4 and 5 pic are showing the back of the plane (motive problem I'd rather say)...

The light (to tell you something good  angel  ) is amazing, the Tupolev from the 3rd photo is incredible!

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:43 am

Thanks Enrique

You may well be right and should be a motive rejection rather than angle , which I thought was just for camera level. i.e in the rejection e-mail it says "These photo(s) do not appear to be level, i.e. the angle of the camera
does not seem to be straight compared to the horizon. "

The light that day was good - it such a shame I am struggling to get photos accepted nowadays.

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:55 am

Nope, angle is the (correct) rejection.

First shot needs .3CW rotation

Second shot needs .4CW rotation

so on and so forth.

And before Pilote De Photo weighs in with some negative comment about it being silly that a photo gets rejected for such things, well, they do. It is easy to make a photo level, and that is what this website asks from the people whom wish to contribute. And if you don't want to, thats okay, too.
 
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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:06 am

OK what references were used to reject - I am keen to know especially the 4th one as the references used are vertical in my version of the photo.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
And if you don't want to, thats okay, too.

What is that supposed to mean?

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:14 am

I would have guessed either baddark, contrast or exposure on that first one as well, so be careful with reuploading.
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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:26 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
And before Pilote De Photo weighs in

Wonder who that is?????

Anyway, Derek, nice photos especially the BA 733. Great light. I think they do need slight cw rotation. I have the same problem with alot of my photos shooting from a funny angle. What may seem right to me/you isnt always what is required on here....make the changes, and fingers crossed!

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:50 am

Hi Derek,

I know the taxiway runs at an angle to the 'turrets' at the viewing park, so the first 3 it's easy to understand how you've got them slightly off. The fourth I would have used the control tower as a vertical reference to ensure the shot was level.

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:22 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
First shot needs .3CW rotation

Second shot needs .4CW rotation

Where is your reference Royal?

Or is it your own perception?
 
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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:32 am

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 9):
The fourth I would have used the control tower as a vertical reference to ensure the shot was level.

I could do that but I tend to use references nearer the middle where possible. I think the fact that it is not obvious or easy to measure means that it is not always as stated below

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
It is easy to make a photo level

N227PE would have been a new reg for the database too - still never mind.

Onwards and downwards and bedtime.

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 11:31 am

Derek, they all need to be rotated in my eyes as well.

Quoting DerekF (Reply 11):
N227PE would have been a new reg for the database too - still never mind.

New regs. don't mean a whole lot, I have had a few rejected as well. Life goes on.

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:59 pm

Many thanks for the assistance. Can't believe I'm getting worked up over 0.1deg - still as you say life goes on and I'm going to Scotland for Hogmanay so there!
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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:39 pm

Hello Derek.

There should be a club for all of us who have struggled getting photos level at Manchester  wink . Part of the problem is that what looks like level when you are there is often not 'level' according to the screeners. I have learned that when there is any doubt with the result that you get on the computer screen, you need to make it look level.

For example, I think there is no reliable reference in the first shot for you to use at all. But, given that there is a slight impression of CW rotation needed, I would use the back edge of the taxiway just behind the one that the Airbus is taxiing on - so that looks horizontal. The same would apply to the nose shot of the Balkan.

For the third shot, of the TU154, I would draw a line from the left edge of that 'grass' horizon to the right edge, just beyond the wind sock. Even though you may argue that 'horizon' is not perpendicular to you, I think if that were level the chances would be better of creating the 'impression' that the photo is level. That might also cause the pole of the wind sock to look vertical, though I understand where you are coming from regarding verticals at the edges of the frame.

In number 4 you definitely need the verticals of the control tower to be absolutely vertical - this one isn't far out, but maybe a little.

With 5, as with number 2, you need to make the horizon look level - that's the bit under the Dash-8 on the far left with the horizon on the far right. I think this one needs closer to 2 degrees of CW rotation.

Also, to my eye Derek, they all need an extra 'oomph' of sharpening too.

I hope this is of some help.

Enjoy your New Year - all the best.

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:10 pm

Derek

Rejections were correct but to level them, try as much as you can to reference the horizon. The taxi way does make them look unlevel.

The only thing I see here now once they are level, is a soft rejection. May just be my monitor but some are a little soft. You also need to watch the jagged edges on one or two of them too.

Nice shots and as mentioned, the light was really good on them!

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RE: Angle Rejections

Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:11 pm

What is quite funny to see (but I'm not talking about Derek's shots in particular) is that often you can compare shots to people's older uploads. Everybody has a 'home' airport so often shots are taken at the same location. When you screen a shot that looks unleveled, you can compare it to other shots taken at the same location and get a good idea what is level and what is not. Especially if other shots taken at that location DO have reference for levelling.

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