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More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:38 am

OK so I'm still quite new to this spotting/photographing lark, and on my 2nd dedicated trip, this time to BRS, the bad weather followed me and the sun disappeared just as I parked the car. However after a fair bit of work on photoshop, I've got one photo that I quite like. Very much doubt it'd get accepted, but what do you think?

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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:04 am

I'd say no it wouldn't get accepted. Did you crop this in Photoshop? If you did it looks like you cropped it too much then resized it back to 1024x***. What kind of camera and lenses do you have?
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:12 am

Yeah I used Photoshop CS2. The image was cropped to 4:3 ratio from 2272x1704 and resized to 1024x683. I certainly didn't crop it any smaller than that at any point. My camera's only an amateur one - it's a Fuji Finepix S5500. Not even a DSLR.
 
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:15 am

Can you take jaggies out? Its pretty jaggy.
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:17 am

Make sure you're looking at the full-size version of the pic. I only see jaggies when the pic is resized to stay within the frame.

Click on the image and then make sure it's blown up to full size.

[Edited 2005-12-30 03:18:50]
 
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:50 am

Ohhhhhh... It looks fine at that size. I would upload. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:06 pm

There's too much noise in it. The weather is to be blamed. As it also looks a bit soft, I don't think you'll be able to bring it up to an acceptable standard.
It's a nice pic but I don't think it's A.net stuff.
Don't worry, I guess most photogs around here have plenty of such pics...
 
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:05 pm

Fair enough, thought it was worth a go anyway! I made the most of my last free day to try again at BRS and after an hour the airport closed because the weather was so bad. I've never spotted in sunny weather and it's doing my head in!
 
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:07 pm

Unfortunately , not up to a.net standards. Although I must say , for a newbie in that weather its not all that bad. Weather obviously wasn't on your side and this has de-graded the quality of the pic. Keep trying and wish for good weather! Big grin

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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:01 am

OK so I took a final trip out to BRS again this morning, this time with occasional bursts of sun! However I now feel somewhat limited by my equipment and inexperience, and this is the best I came up with... Any advice?

As before, click to enlarge.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/tomccoll/DSCF3750b.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/tomccoll/DSCF3754a_filteredresize.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/tomccoll/DSCF3761a-copy_filtered2.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/tomccoll/DSCF3779a_filteredresize.jpg
 
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:28 pm

Anyone? Big grin

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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:35 pm

Hi there.

I think they are an immense improvement on the Ryanair Photo you showed us earlier. Granted, you get most of the time better Photography results with the Sun shining (well in my experience anyway), but these are good.

number1 is a bit grainy in the sky.
number2 is excellent in my opinion, brilliant lighting, a sharp/crisp Photograph and hardy any grain. Great Shot.
number3 looks slightly oversharpened and I think could be cropped a little more at the front. Also, I'd take another look at the levelling.
number4 is good, but the tail looks a little out of focus.

As for advice for the next time you go out, just keep practising all different kinds of Photos, and you will keep on improving.

I hope this helps and whatever you've changed since that FR Photo has paid off!  Wink

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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:14 pm

Thanks Cosmic!

That's really helpful. I've been taking photos without any filters but I've now ordered UV, polaroid and diffusion filters which I think will be quite a help.

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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:18 am

Tom - those four photos above are great! All very nicely composed with some great light - you've got a really good eye for photography. Don't really have much to add to Cosmic's post in terms of 'editing' the photos, but this is definately something that comes with time.

Never been to BRS before but must get down there at somepoint as the vantages don't look too bad at all...

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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:48 am

Thanks Adam!

Do you reckon any of them are up to a.net standards though? I'm not sure that they are at all really. If only my filters had arrived in time...

About BRS spotting - check out this page for viewing points (from http://www.eggd.co.uk). Point (1) is where I took all those photos from. I had to stand on a bin to get photos that cleared the fence though.

[Edited 2006-01-03 20:16:27]
 
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 14):
Do you reckon any of them are up to a.net standards though? I'm not sure that they are at all really.

No, probably not, but I suspect that that has a lot to do with the camera that you are using. I've got a friend with the same camera as you and it's a great, robust little machine. But as good as the high end point-and-shoot cameras may be these days, the demands of aviation photography are generally just a touch too great for them, which is why the majority of photographers on A.net will use an SLR setup.

By demands I mean the zoom that is required (e.g. when taking photos from outside the airport perimeter) and the resolution and sharp focus needed to capture the detail of an aircraft... sometimes down to the last rivet!

Good point-and-shoots can offer you a lot, but often at the expense of something else. For example, your first shot above (EZY B73G departing at sunrise) is a fantastic composition, but the large amount of zoom needed to fill the frame comes with quite a shortfall in image quality. SLRs are still subject to these limitations sadly, but by no means to the extent of a point-and-shoot camera.

Just as a quick comparison, here's a shot of mine taken from a roughly similar angle and distance from the subject as yours, but notice the difference in quality. The sky is smooth and the subject is crisp, with well balanced colours and contrast along the way.



The camera you have is perhaps best suited to, well, less-demanding situations, for example shots from a viewing terrace, where aircraft on the apron may be a lot closer to your camera, and your camera's therefore not stretched too much. Although your camera has 10x optical zoom (380mm zoom in SLR talk - a very decent figure), the lens goes from here all the way down to the equivelant of 38mm. Now a general rule of thumb is that the top end zoom of a lens should be no more than 3 or 4 times the lower end zoom. I don't know much about lens design, but I'm told that any more than that and compromises have to be made in the lens' quality on order to reach from one end of the scale to the other. For that reason, in my set up I use a 18-70mm lens, and then a 70-300mm lens. Between them, they have most bases covered from wide angle to high zoom, with little let up in quality along the way.

An SLR set up (whether it's digital or film) is not a cheap luxury to be able to enjoy, but it goes a long way beyond point-and-shoot cameras in getting you the image quality required for most aviation photography... and A.net!

Of course, 'editing' and 'touching up' digital images ready for publishing is a whole different can of worms, but from your shots above, you definately have a good eye for aviation photography, and your editing skills are well on the way. Others may disagree with me on this, but at the moment I reckon it's your equipment which is the biggest obstacle at the moment.

Many thanks for the BRS info, that's brilliant thank you. Will have to see when I can get down that-a-way  Smile

All the best with the photos,

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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:23 am

Thanks Adam.

Just for info here are a couple of those shots before I edited them on Photoshop:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/tomccoll/DSCF3750resized.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/tomccoll/DSCF3761resized.jpg

As you can see I had to do a lot to them in the first place. You're right about my equipment, and I find that it struggled a lot under the conditions I was shooting in. I'm hoping that my UV and polaroid filters will help in future. I'm certainly in no position to buy a DSLR so this will have to do in the meantime! Thanks for the encouragement though - whilst I messed up a lot of the shots due to my own fault, I feel I'm slowly getting there.
 
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:38 am

One problem I suffer with in particular is auto-focus in low light. The manual focus is useless as it's not SLR, so I have to rely on AF. Unfortunately this weakness in the camera wrecked one of my shots... I was gutted!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c36/tomccoll/DSCF3738resized.jpg

I really thought this one could've been great.  Sad

[Edited 2006-01-03 21:39:11]
 
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RE: More Shooting In Bad Weather!

Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 16):
whilst I messed up a lot of the shots due to my own fault, I feel I'm slowly getting there.

Absolutely, those shots above are the making of some very nice photos, and everyone takes some naff ones along the way! I still enjoy looking back at my first shots (some of them are on here, back to my 'learning' days in 1998!) and thinking, did I really take that!

Best person to learn from = yourself!

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