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Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:52 am

Hi
I know it is either a Vampire or a Venom but cannot be certain as I have no record of the registration
The photo was taken at Hatfield in 1989
Any help would be appreciated



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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:07 am

How about DH Venom WR410/G-BLKA?



Someone even made a model of it:

http://www.toni-clark.com/bilder/amt_meet/ven697_l.jpg

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:21 am

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Have you got an exact date in 1989? I only ask because I worked in flight test at Hatfield at the time (in the building behind the right wing in your picture) and have no record of it or the JP T4. It looks like an open day though which I think I might have missed.

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:25 am

I have always wondered what to look for when choosing Vampire/Venom.
How is it done?

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Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:27 am

Thanks Sean
Derek, yes it was the open day held on 1st July 1989

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 3):
I have always wondered what to look for when choosing Vampire/Venom.
How is it done?

If you mean how does one distinguish between the two aircraft, the Vampire had straight wings while the Venom had slightly swept wings. Also, I'm not 100% sure about this but only the Venom had wingtip tanks.

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:05 am

Yes, that is what I meant. So wingtip tanks = Venom. Can it be a Venom also without them or are they always there?
If so it was easier than I thought.

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 6):
Can it be a Venom also without them or are they always there?

According to the little info I have, the tip tanks were detachable but almost always carried in service. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could shed more light on this.

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:43 pm

I agree with Derek and Shaun, this is WR410, or more correctly, since this is a fake reg, J-1790 from it's days with the Swiss AF.

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 6):
So wingtip tanks = Venom. Can it be a Venom also without them or are they always there?

From my limited knowledge, the Vampire flew either with no external tanks or with underwing tanks. The Venom flew with none, tip, and with both tip and underwing tanks.
Photos illustrating these combinations are in the database.

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:17 pm

Thanks.
So, if there are no external tanks, how does one tell whether it is a Vampire or a Venom?
They look very much alike.

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 9):
So, if there are no external tanks, how does one tell whether it is a Vampire or a Venom?

I find the tails are where the main difference lies. The Vampire tail has a more 'sporty' look to it. The Venom's is more 'spitfire' like. The Venom tails also have a strange 'pod' thing sticking out the front!
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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:40 am

Thanks.
It seems they mix into each other anyway.

Venoms:

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Safest so far seems to be the wingtip tanks on the Venom. I hope they never show up without them..

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:48 am

I see what you mean. I think there are different variants of either/both aircraft. We need a specialist!
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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 11):
Safest so far seems to be the wingtip tanks on the Venom. I hope they never show up without them..


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Sorry, Jan, winding you up a bit!

The Venom had thinner wings with square tips and jettisonable long range wingtip tanks and therefore you are unlikely to see a Venom without it's tip tanks. The above are exceptions - they have been jettisoned / removed but the square tips give the game away!

So your'e not wrong, Jan, ............. if you see what I mean!

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RE: Can You Help Me Identify This Aircraft

Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:15 am

The fuselage pod of the Venom appears bigger all round, as it had a different engine - the DH Ghost as opposed to Goblin. The pointed noses depicted above were unique to the Swiss aircraft in their later years and as can be seen have often been replaced by the original stubby one on the "warbirds" now flying.

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