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Question For LAX Spotters

Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:37 pm

i was recently in LAX and stayed at the radisson on w century blvd. even though i was in the middle of rwy 6R/7L i saw a lot of planes on final approach, where was the good spot to take pictures i seen on this site. apparently i read they were taken from the lounge upstairs, but theres full of windows and the outside deck is for smokers as its a small area facing i think 7L.

any help is appreciated for next time.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:48 am

What is your question? The Radisson is a great location for landings on 24L/R.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:36 am

Go to the In-N-Out Burger right off the end of Runway 24R, almost touch the landers
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:45 am

Im going to LA tommorrow so ill have a look for lots of new places to shoot from! Im staying at the raddison too so im sure i can find somewhere to shoot from.

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:54 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 2):
Go to the In-N-Out Burger right off the end of Runway 24R, almost touch the landers

IN-N-OUT is only good in the summer. That spot will most likely be backlit this time of year.

I was just at LAX and stayed at the Radisson. Go to the back of the lounge and walk out the door.. To get arrivals on 24R you have to actually walk on the roof to get the shot. It's not hard, just step up and walk out a ways. I would sit in the lounge and listen to my transceiver. When something good was coming in I would walk on the roof and shoot it. Here are one of my shots.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/905683/virginnikv.jpg

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:27 am

Let me just say one thing about this spot, make sure that you are a guest of the hotel or you may be asked to leave. When I was there last, we did have a police encounter. We were able to stay after showing identification and Room keys. I would also not recommend going out onto the roof, you should be able to get good shots from the small outdoor area there is.


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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:42 am

I agree with Eric. If you are not a guest of the hotel, you should definitely be prepared to leave if they ask. And do not go out on the roof itself...you can get plenty of good shots from the little outdoor area. I spent a lot of time up there on my recent LAX trip, and my pictures came out great. If you go out on the roof, and they catch you up there, you risk ruining things for hotel guests who go up there to watch the airplanes. The best thing to do is hang out inside in the lounge, and when you see something in the distance, go outside and shoot it quickly, and then come back inside and sit in one of the chairs. The policeman who came up and hassled us said that he could see us hanging around in the outdoor area when he was driving around on the street, and that it looked suspicious. Since it is private property, it's better to be safe than sorry.

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 3):
Im going to LA tommorrow

Really? I Hadnt noticed...

Funnily enough... so am i... :P
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 6):
I agree with Eric. If you are not a guest of the hotel, you should definitely be prepared to leave if they ask. And do not go out on the roof itself...you can get plenty of good shots from the little outdoor area. I spent a lot of time up there on my recent LAX trip, and my pictures came out great. If you go out on the roof, and they catch you up there, you risk ruining things for hotel guests who go up there to watch the airplanes. The best thing to do is hang out inside in the lounge, and when you see something in the distance, go outside and shoot it quickly, and then come back inside and sit in one of the chairs. The policeman who came up and hassled us said that he could see us hanging around in the outdoor area when he was driving around on the street, and that it looked suspicious. Since it is private property, it's better to be safe than sorry.

exactly what he said, they'll make you buy something when the bar is setup also!
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:31 am

well when i was there, the roof/lounge was closed and opend at 5. the
deck access from what i remember was small and seemed to accomonidate
only smokers. the lounge itself was surrounded by glass and didnt want
to take through glass.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 3):
Im going to LA tommorrow so ill have a look for lots of new places to shoot from! Im staying at the raddison too so im sure i can find somewhere to shoot from.

Great to see you shooting/uploading again. I will be waiting for those shots!

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 6):
And do not go out on the roof itself...you can get plenty of good shots from the little outdoor area. I spent a lot of time up there on my recent LAX trip, and my pictures came out great. If you go out on the roof, and they catch you up there, you risk ruining things for hotel guests who go up there to watch the airplanes.

Well Mr. Akbar the night before I asked a bartender and then the person at the desk and they were fine with it as long as I didn't go too far out on the roof or hang out on the roof for a long period of time. I explained that I would only walk out a ways and get the shot and return to the lounge. Which if you read my post a little more carefully you would have seen this. Instead of being in a hurry to accuse me of irresponsible spotting. I know as far as you are concerned I am reckless when it comes to spotting but this is not the case.

I do agree with Eric as to being a guest of the hotel but as long as you make your intentions known and act properly I see nothing wrong with stepping on the roof and getting a better angle shot of 24R arrivals.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 8):
they'll make you buy something when the bar is setup also!

No stress, I had a few VO and 7s while I was there!  biggrin 

Quoting CaptainJon (Reply 9):
well when i was there, the roof/lounge was closed and opend at 5. the
deck access from what i remember was small and seemed to accomonidate
only smokers. the lounge itself was surrounded by glass and didnt want
to take through glass.

You can hang out in the lounge before they open, there was many people coming up and some had cameras and some did not. One guy had binoculars and was writing down tail #s. Outside. Mr. Akbar was well intentioned with this advice but don't let it scare you from a nice day of spotting, as I have said if you make you are a guest and make your intentions known you can go up there.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 10):
Great to see you shooting/uploading again. I will be waiting for those shots!

Not to speak for him but Chris has been shooting quite a lot lately. He has told me he's just rather backlogged in his editing. From what I know, he still has to edit MCO (when I met him in Sept), SXM, LAX (when I hung out with him a month ago again), and INN recently. Chris has done a lot of shooting. We hung out at LAX on the 13th (January) together all day and shot quite a lot. I guess this weekend he'll have a little more time to shoot than last. Enjoy Chris!

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:06 pm

Give it a rest, Nick. No need to get defensive, and particularly no need to start with attitude. I have never said you were an irresponsible spotter, but your advocating that people climb out onto the roof of a hotel -- and I do mean "climb", because that is exactly what you have to do to get from the designated area onto the actual roof -- is beginning to point me in that direction.

Regardless of what kind of sage advice you may want to impart in this thread, the simple fact is that we were approached by police and the head of security for the hotel -- not some schlub at the bar or a lackey checking people in -- and were told unequivocally not to go out on the roof. Just because someone who pours drinks for a living or is great at asking whether you want a smoking or non-smoking room gives you their oh-so-informed opinion as to whether it is OK to go out on the roof, that doesn't mean you should do it. You need to use a little common sense and ask yourself "Hmmm...do I think the hotel really wants people climbing onto the actual roof, and do they want me preaching to 1000s of people on the internet to do the same?"

The police and the hotel security officer permitted us to continue shooting in the outside area only because we were guests of the hotel, and they also made it very clear that they did not want us out on that roof due to the liability issues. So despite your advice, I issue a strong word of caution to anyone who reserves a room at the Radisson and decides to do some shooting from the outdoor area on the top floor: do not go out on the roof or else you will risk screwing things up for yourself and others. Don't get me wrong -- you can have an awesome time spotting up there in the designated outdoor area, and you can get some damn nice pictures. But just keep in mind that you are on private property, and exercise a little common sense.

When we are at LAX a few weeks ago, five of us were able to stand outside at the designated area and get pictures just like the one you posted above, including with the very same building in the picture. And none of us had to climb onto the roof to get it.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 13):
Give it a rest, Nick. No need to get defensive, and particularly no need to start with attitude

Not getting defensive at all, just pointing out that your statements are not accurate and for the most part are biased.

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 13):
I have never said you were an irresponsible spotter, but your advocating that people climb out onto the roof of a hotel -- and I do mean "climb", because that is exactly what you have to do to get from the designated area onto the actual roof -- is beginning to point me in that direction.

You did try to paint me as irresponsible. What you talk about with your local pals is one thing. Here I am going to defend myself. I am not advocating anything. I merely gave some advice to a person who is going to shoot there.

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 13):
not some schlub at the bar or a lackey checking people in --

I have to say this comment is typical. Not everybody can be a lawyer Josh. To degrade two working men like this is sad. A totally tasteless and unnecessary comment.

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 13):
Just because someone who pours drinks for a living or is great at asking whether you want a smoking or non-smoking room gives you their oh-so-informed opinion as to whether it is OK to go out on the roof, that doesn't mean you should do it.

Again Josh I don't understand your disdain for the working man, and how do you know the person behind the front desk was not a manager or something? That is funny but I never took you for an elitist. If you want to respond to me please do, but cease the digs at the hotel employees, they have no way to defend themselves and quite frankly to insult them like you have is pretty lame.

Of course I feel you are overreacting to my taking pictures on the roof as nothing more than a opening to take a dig at me. I know full well that the hotel is private property Josh. I wasn't born yesterday and contrary to your belief I can conduct myself properly when I spot.

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 13):
The police and the hotel security Officer permitted us to continue shooting in the outside area only because we were guests of the hotel, and they also made it very clear that they did not want us out on that roof due to the liability issues. So despite your advice, I issue a strong word of caution to anyone who reserves a room at the Radisson and decides to do some shooting from the outdoor area on the top floor: do not go out on the roof or else you will risk screwing things up for yourself and others. Don't get me wrong -- you can have an awesome time spotting up there in the designated outdoor area, and you can get some damn nice pictures. But just keep in mind that you are on private property, and exercise a little common sense.

Great advice Josh, I find this encounter with local PD and hotel security strange though. I was up there literally all day and nothing remotely close to your encounter happened. Did you say a police Officer saw you from Century? When I was there at least 30 people came through, some shot, some spotted some where outside and nothing happened. Sounds like you are embellishing it a bit.

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 13):
When we are at LAX a few weeks ago, five of us were able to stand outside at the designated area and get pictures just like the one you posted above, including with the very same building in the picture. And none of us had to climb onto the roof to get it.

I tend to doubt that Josh, if my memory serves me right that shot is impossible from that area you speak of. If you shoot from the little smoking area outside the door the angle will not be the same.

[Edited 2006-02-16 05:00:33]
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:08 pm

right...it's like this, go on the roof and you risk messing it up for others, stay off it! police found them without any effort, if police managed to spot us then the area must under some sort of watch...stay off the roof! plain and simple, even the barman on my first visit at the Radisson said to stay off..this was around 3pm when they arrived to setup.

The balcony area where the smokers bin is setup has a metal baracade, it's obvious what it's in place for..i took a few from the roof, when i was told not to go back on it i didn't. this happend to me once in my first visit and to Josh et al on there visit.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Again Josh I don't understand your disdain for the working man

The "working man"? Give me a break! What I have disdain for is promoting on this website -- a website where thousands of people visit every day -- that people should climb out onto the roof of a hotel to shoot pictures. That is irresponsible, and if a decision-maker from Radisson saw what you were advocating, they'd probably prohibit people from going out to the outdoor area with cameras altogether or at least put up a tall obstructive fence that prevents people from getting on the roof and also gets in the way of the pictures. What I think is particularly bad advice is to tell people that because the person behind the bar, or the guy at the front desk, told you it was OK, then it must be OK. This is, of course, notwithstanding the fact that it strains common sense to rely on the "authority" of such a person to give you that permission and that it strains common sense that you'd be allowed onto the roof of a hotel in any event. And to correct your misapprehension about my intentions, this is not meant at a dig at you personally; if Phil, Art or anyone else was making such comments, I would respond just the same.

If I may offer you a piece of advice, it is bad form to always assume that people are out to get you or that they have ulterior motives. While that may be true for others on this site, it is not true for me, and my only goal here is to temper your initial comments with a bit of practical advice so that the person who posted the original post can understand that it's not necessarily perfectly OK to go climbing out on the roof.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
Sounds like you are embellishing it a bit.

The policeman told us he could see us "from the ground" and that he came up because it looked suspicious. We were not even on the roof, but instead merely standing at the outdoor area. Sorry, no embellishment there.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):
I tend to doubt that Josh

Doubt it all you want. I have pictures like that.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:57 pm

You're completely missing the point, Nick. For someone who is so gung-ho about fighting for spotter rights and having a good time out at the airport, you don't seem to realize that beggars can't be choosers.

The LAX Radisson is extending a HUGE courtesy to everybody - not just guests - by keeping the lounge open and available past the restaurant's hours of operation (and even during, provided you buy something). To take advantage of their tolerance towards aviation enthusiasm by jumping the fence and walking on to their roof is quite the slap in the face, whether that's what you intend for it to be or not. As far as I'm concerned, they've offered you a hand and you're taking the whole damn arm.

They've prettymuch given us free unsupervised reign up there, and the only way we can show our appreciation is by being sensible and responsible adults - not impulsive and desperate aviation photographers. Always remember that the ripple effect is a major part of this hobby; it just takes one person acting irresponsibly to put the entire population at a disadvantage. If you - or anybody - do anything to adversely affect one of the most popular spots at LAX, you will most definitely lose most (if not all) of whatever credibility, respect, and friends you have gained since you started. To me, it's not worth it.

Frankly, if you show the people at the Radisson the same lack of respect you're showing us in this thread, I fear for us all.

Brian

[Edited 2006-02-16 06:18:43]
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 16):
The "working man"? Give me a break!

I did, I asked why you would insult two people you never even met like that, thanks for not anwering the question.

Quoting Jakbar (Reply 16):
What I have disdain for is promoting on this website -- a website where thousands of people visit every day -- that people should climb out onto the roof of a hotel to shoot pictures. That is irresponsible, and if a decision-maker from Radisson saw what you were advocating, they'd probably prohibit people from going out to the outdoor area with cameras altogether or at least put up a tall obstructive fence that prevents people from getting on the roof and also gets in the way of the pictures. What I think is particularly bad advice is to tell people that because the person behind the bar, or the guy at the front desk, told you it was OK, then it must be OK. This is, of course, notwithstanding the fact that it strains common sense to rely on the "authority" of such a person to give you that permission and that it strains common sense that you'd be allowed onto the roof of a hotel in any event.

I doubt the Radisson will be erecting a big wall tomorrow Josh. I respect your concern for the spotting public but I doubt my shooting from the spot I shot at is as dire as you make it.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:16 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
I doubt my shooting from the spot I shot at is as dire as you make it.

While you may doubt it, Josh, Monty, Smith, and myself are all sure. When the LAPD and certain members of the Radisson staff expressed an apprehension towards our being out taking photos from behind the rail, it's downright stupid to assume that they wouldn't have a problem with someone running around on the roof.

Let me ask you, Nick: what would your initial thoughts be if you saw someone on the roof of a hotel at an airport? Or at a marina? Or a train station?

As Josh said before, it is a massive liability for the hotel. If break your leg up there, take a wild guess as to what will happen to the spot. I forget which airport it was at, but a very popular and legitimate spotting location was closed off after a girl was raped, and despite the fact that the incident is unrelated to spotting, it's obvious that it had a profound effect.

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting Futterman (Reply 19):
While you may doubt it, Josh, Monty, Smith, and myself are all sure. When the LAPD and certain members of the Radisson staff expressed an apprehension towards our being out taking photos from behind the rail, it's downright stupid to assume that they wouldn't have a problem with someone running around on the roof.

Again Brian I was not "running around on the roof" I would attempt to explain it to you but it would be a waste of good oyxgen. I don't know what happened to you and your little group and quite frankly I don't care. I know that the staff that I dealth was fine with me grabbing a few shots from the roof and I made the effort to tell hotel staff what I was doing. I know as far as your buddy Josh is concerned these means nothing since one served drinks for a living and the other worked behind the desk but I had none of these problems you encountered.

Quoting Futterman (Reply 19):
Let me ask you, Nick: what would your initial thoughts be if you saw someone on the roof of a hotel at an airport? Or at a marina? Or a train station?

Nothing at all Brian. If someone wanted to harm a plane, train or boat I was going to get on they sure would not be on a roof in plain view.

Quoting Futterman (Reply 19):
As Josh said before, it is a massive liability for the hotel. If break your leg up there, take a wild guess as to what will happen to the spot. I forget which airport it was at, but a very popular and legitimate spotting location was closed off after a girl was raped, and despite the fact that the incident is unrelated to spotting, it's obvious that it had a profound effect.

Profound effect? I would guess it had something to do with the location of the rape and most likely happened at an obscure hour. Don't worry Brian next time I am at the Radisson I won't rape anybody up there.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
I don't know what happened to you and your little group and quite frankly I don't care.

nothing happend to us, i said a time and a place and you weren't there, i rang around to the guys in LA to see if they knew your location and they didn't...i was in the exact spot, at the exact time i said i would be! one thing to learn, i wait for nobody! if my instructions weren't obvious and clear enough then sobeit.

as for the hotel, feel free to go on the roof, if they shut it down we'll know who to drop over the edge from the top floor. Think of the spotters from LA that use it before thinking of yourselves.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:53 pm

On a slightly lighter note...

Nick,

What mm lens is advisable for the roof (oops sorry I mean lounge) at the Radisson?  wink 

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:53 am

Like with any spotting location, I think it’s important that a balance between legality, personal safety, and social consideration for other spotters be maintained at all times. This means that each and every spotter has the responsibility to not only follow the law, but to act in a way that fairly represents the entire hobby of aviation enthusiasm so to not destroy or create a negative reputation of us, or affect our ability to utilize spots that we enjoy.

This means not abusing property rules and abiding by permissions granted only by genuine authority figures of that location. Bottom line.

If there is a spotting location that has some kind of risk, it’s important that people not push the button without the clear, expressed consent of those who are an authority of that location. This does not mean bending the rules or creating excuses so that one can get away with getting a good shot, while putting at risk their own personal safety, and the integrity of enthusiasts in general.

As for the Radisson specifically, I think it’s a great spot that can easily get out of hand if people abuse it. It’s a location that offers easy abuse in the sense that it would not take much to anger someone or have the police called, even in a comfortable spotting airport like LAX.

I think people who want to utilize that spot should be guests at the hotel and stay within the designated walking area outside of those doors, unless they have specific consent from hotel management on a case by case basis. I don’t think that a bartender is of enough authority to grant such permission. I also feel that walking out onto that roof can be a risk to one’s personal safety at times.

All we need to remember is that it’s important that we do what we should be doing and be considerate of other spotters. This argument that has started here is completely unnecessary and works against what we are all here to do…..enjoy our passion for commercial aviation.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:06 am

Quoting Bigphilnyc (Reply 23):
All we need to remember is that it’s important that we do what we should be doing and be considerate of other spotters. This argument that has started here is completely unnecessary and works against what we are all here to do…..enjoy our passion for commercial aviation.

Well said Phil. I will be in LAX tomorrow and enjoying the Radisson. That being said I and the other individuals who are going down are competent spotters and respectful to the situation.

Why on earth people would go around the barrier on the deck is beyond me. There is a barrier in place for a specific reason.

NIKV69 - Honestly your attitude sucks and you seem to be well beyond the understanding of reason.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting JAT74L (Reply 22):
What mm lens is advisable for the roof (oops sorry I mean lounge) at the Radisson?

I'll pick this up for Nick. Narrowbodies are about full frame in a 300mm neighborhood. Widebodies are 150-200mm depending on left or right runway.


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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:43 am

I would like to carify that I'm not bashing Nick's argument, nor Josh's. Both of them know each other and I know that they wouldn't let this kind ofconversation affect them in real life. Both are entitled to their viewpoints.

We just need to keep in mind how unaware most people are when it comes to our hobby. That includes government, law enforcement, and regular civilians. So, our behavior when these people first see us...usually when we are in action...is the impression that they will have of us for a long time to come.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 26):
I would like to carify that I'm not bashing Nick's argument, nor Josh's. Both of them know each other and I know that they wouldn't let this kind ofconversation affect them in real life. Both are entitled to their viewpoints.

I'm glad you added that Phil. I agree that we shouldn't abuse priviledges and maybe it wasn't such a good idea to advise folks that it's ok to go on the roof though. I'd just like to add that I found Nick to be a first class host when we met up with him in Vegas last year. No irresponsible behaviour or attitude at all. Just a nice guy to hang out with who loves planes just like the rest of us.

TJ - thanks for the advice, I look forward "running around the roof" in May sometime"!!  flamed 

Regards

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:44 am

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 21):
i said a time and a place and you weren't there

If you are referring to leaving me at LAS Monty, you told me you were picking up your rental at the Alamo counter after you landed. I was at that counter 10 mins before you landed and 90 mins after and you did not arrive, I saw everyone that went through that line and you certaintly were not one of them.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 21):
as for the hotel, feel free to go on the roof, if they shut it down we'll know who to drop over the edge from the top floor. Think of the spotters from LA that use it before thinking of yourselves.

LOL, Monty that statement is about as funny as your grammar. Also with your back you couldn't throw anything off that roof much less me but you are most welcome to try.

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 25):
I'll pick this up for Nick. Narrowbodies are about full frame in a 300mm neighborhood. Widebodies are 150-200mm depending on left or right runway.

Yep, and nice shot!

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 25):
I also recommend the club sandwich and sprite. After sunset go with the rum and coke

Burgers are good too!

Quoting JAT74L (Reply 27):
I'm glad you added that Phil. I agree that we shouldn't abuse priviledges and maybe it wasn't such a good idea to advise folks that it's ok to go on the roof though. I'd just like to add that I found Nick to be a first class host when we met up with him in Vegas last year. No irresponsible behaviour or attitude at all. Just a nice guy to hang out with who loves planes just like the rest of us.

Thanks John! You don't know the whole story here but trust me it's not worth even explaining. Josh Akbar, Brian Futterman and Monty Smith all want you to believe that I am irresponsible and walked out on the roof and hung out up there in plain view. Also Josh further wanted to bolster his argument by degrading and actually inferring that the two hotel employees I had contact with were non issues since they were low on the food chain. Going as far as to call one a "schlub" and the other a "lackey" This is very typical. The fact of the matter is this. If you ask permission, and take only a couple of steps out on the roof to get the shot and return to the lounge after you get the shot I don't think this is cause for the alarm Josh, Brian and Monty are showing. Though they want to exploit the notion that I did otherwise and want everyone here to believe my actions jeapordize future spotting at this spot is also typical. If you are careful John you should be fine, email me any questions on the details.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:01 am

Regardless of who said what, I think the tangent of drama that has been going on here should be kept to a private forum.

No one pays $5 a month to read that stuff.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:42 am

Let's put a lid on this then.

Anyhow, I've just found out that good old Virgin Atlantic can get me out to LAX in Upper Class on miles but can't get me back any day in June so far BUT they CAN get me back from JFK, EWR or IAD....

My new plan is to therefore jump a plane back to the big apple, have a day then then catch Amtrak (I'm a Railroad Engineer!) down the NEC to Washington and have a look at the air & space and fly back from there.

Would be good to meet up with some of you guys for the day!

Regards

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Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:03 am

My schedule is a little crazy in May John but I will try to get free and shoot with you. Worst case is we can throw a few back that night!  drunk 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:07 am

If that's the worst case scenario Nick it'll do for me!! Is there a good hotel for views just in case I don't get to meet up during the day?

I'll mail you with details once I get it all confirmed.

Regards

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:26 am

JFK is your best bet. On foot it will be tough but I will try to get free and drive you around. Here is a link from Art Brett's site. It shows the good spots at JFK. I will give you some more info via email.

http://www.photovation.net/Spotting/JFKFSet.htm
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:28 pm

Quoting Southpaw8669 (Reply 5):
Let me just say one thing about this spot, make sure that you are a guest of the hotel or you may be asked to leave. When I was there last, we did have a police encounter. We were able to stay after showing identification and Room keys. I would also not recommend going out onto the roof, you should be able to get good shots from the small outdoor area there is.



Quoting Jakbar (Reply 6):
I agree with Eric. If you are not a guest of the hotel, you should definitely be prepared to leave if they ask. And do not go out on the roof itself...you can get plenty of good shots from the little outdoor area. I spent a lot of time up there on my recent LAX trip, and my pictures came out great. If you go out on the roof, and they catch you up there, you risk ruining things for hotel guests who go up there to watch the airplanes. The best thing to do is hang out inside in the lounge, and when you see something in the distance, go outside and shoot it quickly, and then come back inside and sit in one of the chairs. The policeman who came up and hassled us said that he could see us hanging around in the outdoor area when he was driving around on the street, and that it looked suspicious. Since it is private property, it's better to be safe than sorry.

So is there a dedicated outside observation area, or is it just the roof? I am planning on staying at the Radisson in the next couple of days and I'd love to get some shots from there.

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:48 am

Tim,
There is a small, fenced, outdoor patio/walkway adjacent to the rooftop bar. Just go up to the bar and you'll see the door leading outside. It's there to allow smokers to step outside.

The discussion above is about the consequences of jumping the patio's fence onto the "roof".

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:24 am

I'd be careful of standing on the roof as you are visible miles out (infact could see people on the roof on my last two departures from LAX without any binoculars).

So it'd be wise to not stand out there all day and instead enjoy the comfy sofas inside and just go and snap your picture when an aircraft is landing then go back inside.

In my opinion that is the only way this spot will remain open in the long run.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:40 am

I'm one blind mofo...

Stayed at the Radisson, went up to the bar area one night, didn't notice any door, got a whisky sour, glanced around, still didn't see any door, asked the bartender how to get a view from the roof. He looked worried and said there was no way in hell.  Sad

Now that I finally know the real scoop I can finally check it out next time I'm in town.  thumbsup 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:25 pm

I shall tell you from someone who has just come back from the Radisson.

Some of the hotel security staff do not mind you going out on to the roof, taking a shot and coming back. Of course they do not want you near the edge! This I know because I asked. The one thing they do not like is people bringing there own food into that area. If you do want food in the bar area call room service and they will bring it up for you (at a price).

As for the LAPD the less time you spend on the roof the less likely it is they will spot you. I spent a 5 good days there and did not have a single problem with the staff or police.

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 38):
I'm one blind mofo...

Yes you are!  biggrin  That door is quite easy to see.

Quoting Jid (Reply 39):
Some of the hotel security staff do not mind you going out on to the roof, taking a shot and coming back. Of course they do not want you near the edge! This I know because I asked

Glad you didn't cave into the fear mongers here (see reply 6 and 13) and went about things the same way I did. Just goes to show you if you contact someone at the hotel and make your intentions known you can shoot from there. (As long as you don't contact a "Schlub" or "Lackey" right Josh?)  sarcastic 

Quoting Jid (Reply 39):
As for the LAPD the less time you spend on the roof the less likely it is they will spot you. I spent a 5 good days there and did not have a single problem with the staff or police.

I still find it hard to believe that LAPD will spot you on the roof. I would think someone would have to call them after they see you. This also seems far fetched. You could spend 500 days up there and nothing will happen to you.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
You could spend 500 days up there and nothing will happen to you

Although you might have one hell of a suntan!
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Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
I still find it hard to believe that LAPD will spot you on the roof. I would think someone would have to call them after they see you. This also seems far fetched. You could spend 500 days up there and nothing will happen to you.

It isn't much of a challenge to see people up there at all. We were on Imperial Hill and we knew who we were looking at on the top of the Radisson. Similarly the minute the bus pulled out of LAX to take us to the airport, we saw the deck and saw people on it. It really isn't hard to spot people up there.
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Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting Fallingeese (Reply 42):
It isn't much of a challenge to see people up there at all. We were on Imperial Hill and we knew who we were looking at on the top of the Radisson. Similarly the minute the bus pulled out of LAX to take us to the airport, we saw the deck and saw people on it. It really isn't hard to spot people up there.

Granted, there were many people up there while I was up there. Some with cameras and some just writing down regis. It is not a big deal.

Quoting UA935 (Reply 41):
Although you might have one hell of a suntan!

LOL, yes. The sun was out but not that strong those two days at LAX, got some nice color at LAS two days ago. 75 and no humidity with that sun beating down on you is so great!  biggrin 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:39 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
I still find it hard to believe that LAPD will spot you on the roof.

for those who need it spelt out to them, why you ask was it so easy for them to spot us, give you 1 guess? no i won't, i'll answer it for you! El Al was due that's how they spotted us and that's what we were told...it's not scare tactics by anyone, just relaying exactly what was told to us! problem with that? good i hope not...if they shut it down we'll know why!

when the barman came out the first time i was there and specifically told us to stay off the roof we did just that...if they ask then you do it.

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:04 pm

Hi people,
suggestions for an hotel near the In-N-Out Burger on Selpuveda Boulevard?
I hope to came in end of May and want to stay one day in LAX spotting there(probabily one saturday)
Thanx
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 44):
...if they shut it down we'll know why!

This will never happen Mr. Monty. I doubt there is going to be this rash of spotters who are going to run out on the roof and yell "Hey Nick from anet said this is a good spot!" I tell you what Monty, if and when that spot does get closed you can all blame it on me. Read reply #39 very carefully Monty. Your encounter due to the fact that EL AL was coming in great but under normal conditions you can go up there and shoot without jepordizing the future of LA spotting at the Radisson. I think Jid's actions just proves what the reality of this situation is.
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 46):
Your encounter due to the fact that EL AL was coming in great but under normal conditions you can go up there and shoot without jepordizing the future of LA spotting at the Radisson.

read my last reply, i was actually asked to not go on the roof on my first visit to the Radisson of which i was a guest, that was 10 days before the El Al incident with the New York guys...so, it's quite obvious that they didn't want people on the roof El Al or not. It's pointless going over n over about it, If i'm asked not to do such a thing then i'll respect those who ask me and obey that...they obviously have reasons or i wouldn't have had it happen to me twice in less then 2 weeks.
 
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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:58 pm

As Monty says .. When El Al is due they WILL know you are there and if they assess you as a threat they WILL take action. "They" not necessarily meaning LAPD, there will be other agencies monitoring any actions on the Radisson roof. Just look at the next building with at least two cctv camera's visible. You may think they are purely traffic monitors, you would be wrong.

The short of it is just use your common sense and do as instructed by any staff that are present at the time. Bear in mind that different members of staff will give you conflicting information as I have found out.

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RE: Question For LAX Spotters

Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:43 pm

Nick, if you are in any doubt how visible you (or anyone else) can be on the roof I have a shot taken from right under the 24R glideslope on Sepulveda Blvd which demonstrates quite clearly just how easily you can be seen.

I'm happy to blur out any incriminating details and post the image here-the guys in the picture know how to contact me if they have any objections.



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