pitchul
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NOA_Double, Appeal?

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:34 am

Hello all,

This picture have been rejected for NOA_DOUBLE :

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...ux_747_LX-PCV_LUX_20060131-003.JPG

After searching in my pictures in the db, i see that i have no picture of LX-PCV during a take-off :

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...hotographersearch=Emmanuel%20Perez

THis morning, i took 12 pictures of this take-off and i have keep the 2 best.

I still have one of the two in the db :



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This picture and the rejected one are not similar. Accepted one is a close-up on the wing while the plane is in the air, the rejected one a 3/4 picture of the rotation.

What do you think? Should i appeal ?

Thank you very much.

Regards

Emmanuel
 
norfolkjohn
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:43 am

Hi Emmanuel,

Two great shots you have but I do not think an appeal would be successful. If I understand the situation correctly both shots were taken of the same aircraft at the same time in the same location. Even more importantly I believe they were part of a sequence - the take-off. The NOA_Double rule is pretty clear that shots from the same sequence will be classed as doubles hence I don't think your appeal would be successful.

Still both nice shots thought.

All the best,

John
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eadster
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:47 am

It would probably get rejected for jagged anyway (the blue and red stripes).

Quoting Norfolkjohn (Reply 1):

Still both nice shots thought

Agreed!
 
timdegroot
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting Eadster (Reply 2):
It would probably get rejected for jagged anyway (

Would indeed need some work.

Can't see how it's baddouble if you only have that one in the db and no others in the queue.

Tim
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pitchul
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:59 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 3):
Would indeed need some work.

Can't see how it's baddouble if you only have that one in the db and no others in the queue.

Tim

Tim,

That means that if i remove the jaggys, i can reupload them ?

Emmanuel
 
pitchul
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:37 pm

is this better ?



Emmanuel
 
jran225
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:44 pm

Hey Emmanuel,

the shot looks much better. One thing you might want to fix before you re-upload are the slight jaggies (halos) around the Cargolux titles. For me, the rest looks perfect...good luck!  wave 

Regards,
-Omar S.
Never tell your girlfriend about all the 'action' you're getting at the airport - only photogs understand that.
 
norfolkjohn
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:28 am

Hi Emmanuel,

I agree that your revised edit looks better but in spite of Tim's comments in reply 4 I am still concerned that if you upload this shot again you may get another NOA_Double rejection. Tim is a Head Screener so I'm not going to argue with what he says but perhaps his interpretation of your original post was different to mine.

You appear to have had one shot accepted (ID 1001160) which shows LX-PCV taking off from runway 06 at LUX on the morning of 31st Jan 2006. You also had another shot rejected (the one you have now reworked) which again shows LX-PCV taking off from runway 06 at LUX on the morning of 31st Jan 2006.

I checked the NOA_Double rejection description again and it says the following :-

"Please do not upload multiple sequential shots of an aircraft during landing, taxing or take-off, taken only a few seconds apart. Even though these photos may appear to be from different angles, we consider them similar. Please select the best shot from the sequence and upload only that one ..."

It is based on the above that I think the original "Double" rejection was possibly valid and why I think you might get the same rejection again.

Perhaps Tim can clarify on this once and for all. If I have got it wrong you have my apologies and I'll gladly eat humble pie !

All the best,

John
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dc10tim
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:47 am

This does seem to be something of a grey area. Despite of what is written in the upload text, I was under the impression that it was two shots that are more or less identical that would be subject to a 'baddouble' rejection, not two of the same aircraft that are of very different angles.

I have two shots of one aircraft (off the top of my head) taken on the same date, one a landing shot and one a taxiing shot, that had no trouble getting accepted because they are of very different angles. I would have thought this would have been the case here.

Perhaps some more of the screening crew could shed some more light onto this issue?

Regards,

Tim.
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edoca
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 8):
I have two shots of one aircraft (off the top of my head) taken on the same date, one a landing shot and one a taxiing shot, that had no trouble getting accepted because they are of very different angles. I would have thought this would have been the case here.

That would be my interpretation as well. I currently have a similar situation in the queue, with the same plane first in an almost frontal view, and a second a minute or two later zooming into the opposite side as a side view close-up. Apart from other rejection reasons I would imagine this doesn't fall under the Double rule.

Maybe it's a bit too vague to answer in general, but indeed, a screener's view would be great here.
 
eadster
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:21 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 3):
Can't see how it's baddouble if you only have that one in the db and no others in the queue.

If thats the case, I got one rejected for Double a few days back.

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 8):
I have two shots of one aircraft (off the top of my head) taken on the same date, one a landing shot and one a taxiing shot, that had no trouble getting accepted because they are of very different angles. I would have thought this would have been the case here.

Seems this has changed as mine was of totally different angles, but were taken on the same day. I don't mind as the best one was accepted but would be good to get this issue cleared up.
 
dc10tim
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RE: NOA_Double, Appeal?

Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Eadster (Reply 10):
Seems this has changed as mine was of totally different angles, but were taken on the same day. I don't mind as the best one was accepted but would be good to get this issue cleared up.

Have you had a 'baddouble' Martin? I agree the rules need clarifying.

To be fair, the pair of mine I'm thinking of are quite different (I might as well plug them  Wink):


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Tim.
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