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Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:01 pm

 
ChrisH
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:06 pm

Still only 8mpix. Not exactly the D200 killer everyone expected.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:08 pm

Certainly no good reason to change from a 20D
I think the term would be 'minor improvements'

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:30 pm

So little change...
Great!!
I'll save me another 1000+ Euros, skip this generation, wait another year and a half for a 40D ( Confused) and buy me a 24-105L IS instead. hehehe...

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:38 pm

Hi all,

Interesting read, the LCD screen looks fantastic and a couple of other nice tweaks to the 20D, but I have to say I am surprised Canon didnt go further with the 30D.

Cheers

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:11 pm

Does not seem to be a big difference between the 20D and 30D. So why not call it the 25D?
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:30 pm

Quoting Ryan h (Reply 5):
Does not seem to be a big difference between the 20D and 30D. So why not call it the 25D?

They don't want to copy the Airbus model, A319, 320, 321...  Big grin
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 2):
Certainly no good reason to change from a 20D
I think the term would be 'minor improvements'

I couldn't agree more. A slightly larger screen, improved menus and the addition of spot-metering are the only really noticable changes and would you really pay over the odds for that? Still, it might mean that 20Ds are relatively cheap to pick up in a few months  optimist 

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting OD720 (Reply 6):
They don't want to copy the Airbus model, A319, 320, 321...

So call it the Canon EOS 20D-300ER than !

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:00 pm

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 1):
Still only 8mpix. Not exactly the D200 killer everyone expected.

On the contrary, what kills the D200 is that THIS camera has the word "CANON" on it.  duck 

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:01 pm

Tim,

If you are after a bargain 20D you could do worse than check the second hand market. I picked up a 20D in mint condition for well under £600 last year.

Used 20D's are rare but the odd one comes about, only problems I have had have been with my lenses not the 20D body, it came with a 6 month warranty too.

Cheers

Ben
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:20 pm

I had really hoped for something more than this, frankly this is a disappointment.

I'll stick with my 10D.

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:47 pm

Not so many improvements overall. I am quite happy though that Canon made a good EF-S zoom lens, although its going to be pricey.
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:49 pm

I have a Canon 10D now and have been waiting for the announcement, because I'm looking for a second camera body. So my choices are now 20D, 30D, 5D, and 1D Mark II N. I was hoping for a 1.3 crop factor and 10mp, but reality is always different.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:35 pm

Quoting Martin21 (Reply 8):
So call it the Canon EOS 20D-300ER than !

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:47 pm

This was really a dissapoint for anyone waiting to purchase a camera. It's not like Canon to do such a thing, and release a camera with very minimal upgrades.

Everyone is going to start complaining, and Canon will come out with something much better in June, to make sure they're safe. heheheh...

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11):
I had really hoped for something more than this, frankly this is a disappointment.

Definitely. Never cared too much about the '30D', but I was desperately hoping for that 3D to come out... oh well, I guess I'll stick with my 300.

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:43 pm

I'll be stick with my 300D for a good few months yet, though if this 30D knocks the price of a 20D down a bit, then wohoo  Smile

Not so sure I'd go for second hand 20D, unless got lucky with a good deal.
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting someone (Reply 300):
Not exactly the D200 killer everyone expected.

"More importantly, we've shot the D200 and 20D side-by-side for available light basketball over several weekends this winter, and the 20D is by far the better camera for this purpose. Not only were the ISO 800 through ISO 3200 frames massively cleaner and more usable, the percentage of in-focus frames was signficantly higher. In fact, we've ruled out using the D200 for this sort of assigment again. So, we don't think Nikon has in the D200 a camera that's a clear winner over the upcoming 30D by any means."

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 9):
On the contrary, what kills the D200 is that THIS camera has the word "CANON" on it.

BINGO !  Smile
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:55 pm

Well I was worried this new announcement may persuade me to go for a new camera rather than spend the money I've saved on travel this year as originally planned.
No chance of that now after this very dissappointing announcement.

Maybe the 20Ds would have been a more appropriate name! Seems like the same sort of upgrade Nikon used from the D70 to the D70s, not really worth giving it a new name for.
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:37 am

Well no need to upgrade my 20D what so ever with this new revision,I guess this means I will be buying the 24-105 L after all.
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 18):
"More importantly, we've shot the D200 and 20D side-by-side for available light basketball over several weekends this winter, and the 20D is by far the better camera for this purpose. Not only were the ISO 800 through ISO 3200 frames massively cleaner and more usable, the percentage of in-focus frames was signficantly higher. In fact, we've ruled out using the D200 for this sort of assigment again. So, we don't think Nikon has in the D200 a camera that's a clear winner over the upcoming 30D by any means."

That just proves the photographer doesn't know what the $#% he/she is doing. They were shooting available light basketball long before DSLR's (as I know you know). A true pro should be obtaining a high percentage of in-focus frames with any SLR, even a cheap D50 or Drebel. Performace at ISO 3200 surely isn't a deciding factor for a majority of photogs. Personally, I've tested a few hi-ISO shots on the D200 and must say if you can't get "clean and usable" shots from a D200 shooting indoor Basketball you have more problems than deciding between a 20D and D200. Of course, that's just my opinion, take it how you wish  Smile

That said, this 30D seems like a very nice option for new Canon buyers. Probably not worth an upgrade from a 20D unless it has high-mileage but a nice addition to the Canon line. It's just too bad they ruined it by putting CANON on there  Wink

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 21):
if you can't get "clean and usable" shots from a D200 shooting indoor Basketball you have more problems than deciding between a 20D and D200.

Yatzy!
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:06 am

Did anyone mention the price yet?
From dpreview: "Good news also comes in the form of a slightly lower price than the EOS 20D."

For me as a 10D user, it might still be worth looking into, as I was already close to buying the 20D.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:14 am

K, it will be available around 1300€ at the beginning (suggested price by Canon is 1399€).
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:20 am

The "street" price on this body is expected to be just about the same or slightly below the 20D. If so, then its a good deal. If its more....well, I dont think the minor improvements are worth spending more.

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:36 am

So I guess this is comparable to the EOS350D over the EOS300D, minor improvements?

What about the rumoured EOS3000D I read about in another thread? Any truth in that or any more updates?

Roger

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:07 am

I heard the price could be $1400 (just below the D200 price, oh-harlee-ha  Wink ).

It's just an addition of spot metering and a bigger LCD, if you ask me. The rest is a 20D. Or 20d NG in this case  Wink

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:15 am

Why didn't they just call it the 20D MkII?
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:43 am

I guess it's a great camera with some major improvements for everybody still being in the D60 or even D30-segment. When owning a 10D one might still be tempted, but shooting with a 20D (like I am) I guess one can easily skip this generation of Canon DSLRs and wait for its successor.

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:00 am

Jessops are offering a pre order price if £1179.99 with the EF-S 18-55 lens in the UK.

My 20 will be with me for some time longer now. 24-105L here I come!

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting Martin21 (Reply 8):
So call it the Canon EOS 20D-300ER than !

LMAO!!! Great reply!!!  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:19 am

Glad I just got my old Digital Rebel off my hands at a good price .. haha  Wink

This new 30D is definately not a camera worth upgrading to from the 20D for the type of photos I'm doing.

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:19 am

Hey guys,

frankly I'm quite surprised that you're all so disappointed with this new one. I agree, it's not a vast improvement over the 20D, but improving it even more would start bringing it close to the 5D league - quality-wise and also price-wise. It's definitely not worth upgrading to if you're currently using the 20D. I, however, am still shooting away with my faithful 10D and am looking for a new (second) body. Seeing that prices of the 20D and 30D are in the same range, it all comes down to the camera itself. Should I go with the 20 or the 30? My only reservations (and you tell me if they're unfounded) is that I will have to get the new body before April and I'm worried that it would be a risky investment to buy such a new (as far as user experience and reviews are concerned) camera at that point. What's your take? What should I do?  

Regards,
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Jran225 (Reply 33):
What's your take?

I'm sticking with my 10D. I skipped the 20D, so I can skip this one aswell. Buying a nice lens is far more important than buying a 2nd body with a 2" LCD screen and some other little knick knacks, IMO.

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:01 am

Get 'em while they're hot, the price she is a fallin:

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 34):
I'm sticking with my 10D. I skipped the 20D, so I can skip this one aswell. Buying a nice lens is far more important than buying a 2nd body with a 2" LCD screen and some other little knick knacks, IMO.

It does feature one nice thingy though !
Finally true spot metering is back instead of the partial metering.

Of course the specs for this cam are reasonable as it can't be to close to the 5D.
Canon used to have a clear camera line up in the past like the 1, 3 and 5 series and below them then 10, 30 and 50 and so on.
Since the introduction of the digital cams they have been jumping up, down, left and right making a complete mess of it without any logic left.
From D30 to D60 to 10D to 20D and now 30D so basically we are finally back at the beginning and I predict this will be the next step to the logical "old" camera line up.
The 1 series is already in place as is the 5 series.
So in my view it is just a matter of time for the 3D to be announced.

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:40 am

For Tim and E do yourselves a favor and go grab a 20D from somewhere.
The extra FPS and the huge increase in the AF more than offset the cost.
Combine the 20D with any of the L series lenses and you have a killer combo.
Given you guys already get good results with the 10D your keeper rate from lack of AF accuracy will go through the roof with the 20D.
From here 30D looks good for people entering or upgrading from the 10D or 300D etc.
The new screen "does" make a difference for preview if you use it.
On my 1Dmk2N it is finally usable for accurately checking shots.
And errr how many MP do you want or for that matter how many do you need.
Given like a huge number of the worlds pro shooters are using 1Dmk2 and mk2N bodies combined or with a 1Dsmk2 and they are happy at 8.3MP how many do we really want??
8.3 at 8-9FPS does me for a long time to come.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:52 pm

Canon was in a no win situation here and judging by the whining and gnashing of teeth over at DPReview they succeeded.

If they brought out a 10mp(or more) 1.3 (or less) crop with all the bells and whistles for this price(or slightly more) they would have -
a/ Crippled 5d & 1D MkII N sales
b/ Alienated all those 20D customers whose cameras
1/ plunged in value
2/ felt obliged to upgrade
c/ Likely crippled 350D sales as well (not a bad thing for Canon as margins in 30D likely better)

What did they do, introduced an enhanced 20D that provides-
A/ A little more incentive, perhaps not yet compelling, for those D30, D60 & 10D users to upgrade.
B/ A few more nice little features to keep the heat on the "N" brand.
C/ Did NOT instantly obsolete the 20D installed base.
D/ Kicked the sales along along a little.

All makes good marketing sense to me without shafting the customer base.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:10 pm

It would be nice to be able to change the ISO while looking in the viewfinder and also did I read this right that the ISO can be increase in 1/3 increments like 133, 166, 200 etc.


Still not worth to upload from the 20D though.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 39):
1/3 increments like 133, 166, 200 etc.

Something nikon users have been able to do since D100, spot metering finally, talk about lagging.

I reckon Canon don't want to piss off the 1D mark2 users by releasing a prosumer house with higher resolution, at half price. Will the next Canon DSLR be a 12 or 14 mpix 1.3x 1D mark 3?

Right now D200s are flying off the shelves, and 30D is too little too late to stop that I reckon.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Paulinbna (Reply 39):
1/3 increments like 133, 166, 200

Or 125 - 160 - 200 to be more exact  Wink. I find this the only extra the 30D has over its predecessor. The bigger LCD is nice, but do you really need that to check your histogram? A bigger buffer is cool too but I haven't ran into problems with the 20D. Glad I got my 20D with the rebate last year...

Oh and too bad the 17-55 is an EF-S lens; it'll probably be a good performer, but what's the use if you cannot put it on one of your FF bodies?
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 41):
The bigger LCD is nice, but do you really need that to check your histogram?

I've gotta say, a large LCD does come in handy. Sure it's not needed but once you start chimping, zooming to check sharpness, etc. on a 2.5" (my D200) vs a 1.8" (my D70) you'll be pleased with the upgrade. Certainly not a deciding factor but it's just another excuse for you to fork out the dough and get the 30D  Wink

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 38):
What did they do, introduced an enhanced 20D that provides-
A/ A little more incentive, perhaps not yet compelling, for those D30, D60 & 10D users to upgrade.
B/ A few more nice little features to keep the heat on the "N" brand.
C/ Did NOT instantly obsolete the 20D installed base.
D/ Kicked the sales along along a little.

All makes good marketing sense to me without shafting the customer base.

I think you're right on the mark Chris when you consider Canon's position in terms of their current product range. However, it's not revolutionary enough to make me really want one  Smile

Regards,

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:37 am

Ok now perfect ! The price of the 20D has suddenly dropped... I've just ordered my new 20D+17-85 online !

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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:37 am

Chris,

Win some, lose some....

"Something nikon users have been able to do since D100, spot metering finally, talk about lagging."

Intreresting you should bring the D100 up; spot metering on the D100 is a nice feature, but no 100 ISO, talk about lagging  Wink

Seriously though the winner in all of this is the consumer, (not a dig but) Nikon finally have a range of DSLR's available as do Canon, both brands have a DSLR for ever user and a range of cameras with different benefits at different prices which ever brand you use you have a great choice as no DSLR is bad, just some photographers perhaps  Wink

Cheers

Ben
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 45):
100 ISO, talk about lagging

Moot since it's practically noiseless.  Wink I'd miss spotmetering and a decent flash system alot more than ISO 100 tbh.

PMA this weekend maybe something more in the canon pipeline.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 46):
I'd miss spotmetering and a decent flash system alot more than ISO 100 tbh.

There was something on the Canon's called "partial metering" !
It worked the same as spot metering just with a little bigger area and worked fine for me.
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:31 am

Chris,

"practically noiseless"

I guess there is perfection and near perfection  Wink

Cheers

Ben
 
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RE: Canon 30D Announced

Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting LGW (Reply 48):
I guess there is perfection and near perfection

Yes, 8x10" film is lovely but not practical (cause I know you weren't referring to anything else)  Wink
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