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Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:43 pm

It seems that recently I have been having quite a bit of difficulty with image quality - especially controlling jaggies. I will be out at LAX in a day or so and I would certainly like to hear some tips that could lead to an increase in quality.

I don't have any pictures at the moment that I could show, but I'll give my equipment and settings that I use to shoot. I am currently using a 10D and a 100-400 L IS. When I shoot, I use AV priority and set it to f/8 and the lowest ISO possible, normally 100-200. As far as I know, the "In camera sharpening" is set to the default setting; I am not sure how to change it (maybe this would make a difference). In addition to that, I use JPEG Large.

Anyways, in recent weeks it seems that I have been having the damnest time getting a decent shot; so if anyone could shed some light on how to improve quality, I would certainly appreciate it. Thanks,

Tim
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:17 pm

you seem to know whats going on with your camera settings. what program do you use for post processing. There are some out there that don't do a good job at cropping photos.
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:25 pm

Tim.

Reading the manual for your camera is a good first step towards taking quality images. The camera is only a tool.. knowing how to use it is important!(or understanding what it is doing to the images you think you see)
Page 56 of the English Language version of the 10D manual is entitled "Setting Processing Parameters" it will tell you how to A/ determine what those parameters are and B/ how to change or set them!

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:47 pm

Ok thanks gents for the comments. I use photoshop elements for post processing. Chris, I have gone through my manual regarding some of the sharpening and I haven't been able to find anything, but I'll certainly check again. Please keep the comments / suggestions flowing. Thanks,

Tim

Edit: I found the section you were talking about regarding processing. What is the best setting for in camera sharpness?

[Edited 2006-02-23 06:55:13]
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:07 pm

It's best to set in-camera sharpening to 'off'.
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:27 pm

Tim,

I mostly shoot in RAW so the camera settings have no effect but Viv is likely right.
Now you know how to adjust the settings on the camera you can experiment and see what works best for you.

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 4):
It's best to set in-camera sharpening to 'off'.

Ok, when you say off, do you mean set at 0 (I have it set there now) or do you mean set to -2.

I have been meaning to try RAW one of these times - I'll have to work on that. Thanks again!

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:50 pm

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 6):
Ok, when you say off, do you mean set at 0 (I have it set there now) or do you mean set to -2.

I'm not familiar with the Canon 10D, but what I mean is that the camera should be set so as not to apply any sharpening to the image. On my Nikon D200, that means sharpening set to 'off'.
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 7):
I'm not familiar with the Canon 10D, but what I mean is that the camera should be set so as not to apply any sharpening to the image.

Alright, maybe someone else on here familiar with Canon will be able to comment on this. Do you notice a big difference in quality after editing when camera sharpening is set to off?

Quoting Viv (Reply 7):
On my Nikon D200, that means sharpening set to 'off'.

That sounds pretty simple  Smile. How do you like your D200?

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 8):
How do you like your D200?

I like it very much. Exposure is pretty much spot on straight out of the camera. All I ever need to do in Photoshop is straightening, cropping, resizing and USM.

It's also a much better handling camera than the D70 - you can change ISO, image quality and white balance without needing to go into a menu.

It was a bargain at €1549.

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:32 pm

Sorry for the thread hijacking.

Quoting Viv (Reply 9):
It's also a much better handling camera than the D70 - you can change ISO, image quality and white balance without needing to go into a menu.

I don't doubt that the D200 is better than the D70 but you can change the ISO, WB and image quality on the D70 without going into a menu either.

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting DerekF (Reply 10):
can change the ISO, WB and image quality on the D70 without going into a menu either.

Not on mine, at least not with a single button.

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:53 pm

OK. You can change the ISO , WB and image quality on the D70 without going into the menu , well at least you can on mine. I don't think I've ever used the menu to change the ISO. You push one button and rotate the dial. Does the the D200 do it differently?

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting DerekF (Reply 12):
You push one button and rotate the dial

You're right. Don't know what I was thinking ...
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Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:18 am

I was beginning to have doubts myself!
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting DerekF (Reply 10):
Sorry for the thread hijacking.

Damn thread hijackers  Wink. Anyway, I am back from LAX and I took a large number of photos. I left my camera sharpness on "0"; you can take it down to -2 but I am not sure what that does. If any Canon users could comment on this, I'd certainly appreciate it. Thanks,

Tim
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting TWAMD-80 (Reply 15):
I left my camera sharpness on "0"; you can take it down to -2 but I am not sure what that does

Why don't you just try it? Then you will know.
 
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:12 pm

In a CanonEOS, set the sharpening to "-2". "0" is simply "normal" sharpening.

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:14 pm

Tim,

I have the 300D and have tried to play about with the in-camera sharpening a couple of times, but to be honest could not tell the difference in what resulted.

I don't think this is going to be the key issue, so I think you should focus your attention on the editing. On the basis of your equipment, you should have no problems with getting the requisite quality with a decent original.

If you would like me to have a look at an original file or two, I would be more than happy to have a go with a few edits and pass on the results. Here are my photos, all taken with the 300D and a lower quality lens than yours. I haven't suffered with quality rejections in a long time, which makes me think your issue may be more in the editing process itself, or the selection of the shots you choose to upload.

As I say, feel free to get in touch via my profile if you think I may be able to help out.

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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:36 am

G'day Tim
As Canon use a CMOS sensor the images straight from the gun are generally softer in appearance than compared to a Nikon which use CCD.
In general the sharpening algorithms that come with most software are better than that applied by the camera itself.
IE You will get less artifacts etc when using PS for the equivalent amount of sharpening than you would using in camera sharpening.
The advanantage of in camera sharpening for some is direct printing etc.
For most of us though far better results can be obtained using either dedicated sharpening software like focalblade or USM in Photoshop.
So if you can use 0 and do your sharpening using post processing.
If you sharpen in the camera and then post you will get more jaggies,more noise and more artifacts.
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RE: Techniques For Improving Quality

Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:28 pm

Thanks for the replies! I am hoping that the problem is in fact my editing, which it sounds like it is. Psych, thanks for the offer, I'll take you up on it.

Tim
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