kmonroe
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After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:44 am

Hey,

I've uploaded five photos so far and all five have been rejected. Before I try again, I'd like to get your advice on the photos I currently have in the queue.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/FedEx_N433FE.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/Northwest_N308US.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/UA_N476UA.jpg

Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

-Keith
 
vasanthd
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:53 am

Hi keith,
Welcome to A.net.
I see issues in these photos...
1) Bad Quality, Motive, Soft, Dark
2) Bad QUality (But could be worked out from scratch)
3) Bad Quality, Soft, Center and prolly Exposure...

I think these are good attempts for a new photographer. Just a little more experience is needed...And BTW whats your cam equipment?

--Vas
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waketurbulence
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:58 am

Hello Keith, always nice to help a new member. I was in your exact position about a year ago, and now I am much more successful in getting photos on Anet, about 1 per day.
It would be good to share your camera settings/editing process so we can further help you in your future shots. For the ones posted:
1. I would say it has a motive problem. Half in half out doesn't work for the Fedex, even though it is cool you caught the A330 in there. It is also ver soft, especially around the FedEx reg.
2. This one is not too bad. Still soft though, looks close to what comes directly out of the camera.
3. Over exposed at the top, too distant in the frame, and a lot of dead space at the bottom of the frame.

The size of the photos are not bad. To start stick to 1000 to 1024 pixels wide, quality problems tend to be more exposed at a higher pixel count. There are a lot of people with a lot of knowledge here. Read and practice and you will get much better. Good luck.
-Matt
 
kmonroe
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:01 am

Nikon Coolpix D700D - everything is standard, 35x350mm lense. I think I know what I was messing up when taking the pictures. The originals aren't centered properly so I had to crop a lot out, when resizing the quality suffered a lot. Thanks for your comments.

EDIT:

WakeTurbulence: Yeah I'm definitely going to keep trying. I edit the pictures in photoshop, usually just crop to the way I like, auto contrast, and then some unsharp mask (usually 50-100). Thanks.

[Edited 2006-02-28 00:03:34]

[Edited 2006-02-28 00:05:36]
 
vasanthd
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting Kmonroe (Reply 3):
I edit the pictures in photoshop, usually just crop to the way I like, auto contrast

if resizing photos in photoshop was to reduce a heck of a quality, 99% of the A.net photographers would not even have uploads here. Maybe its the quality that u set it to low while saving the file.

Using Autocontrast works good only sometimes....In my opnion, dont ever use the auto functionality. Try to experience more with the manual controls.

--Vas

[Edited 2006-02-28 00:10:23]
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kmonroe
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:09 am

I use photoshop for all my editing.
 
kmonroe
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:29 am

Here's more information about my setup. I shoot in jpeg, and use the 'Scene' selector (sports - autofocus). Yeah, it's sad I can't tell you detailed settings (exposure, aperture, etc.), but I just bought a book, "The New Manual of Photography." Give me a few weeks and I'll be up to speed lol. Anyway, shooting in raw would improve the quality, right? Taking jpeg pictures basically compresses the image twice (if you do any editing)? Once I save an edited image I always use the maximum quality compression that photoshop offers, but you can still see a decrease in quality.
 
vasanthd
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Kmonroe (Reply 6):
it's sad I can't tell you detailed settings (exposure, aperture, etc.)

If you are in window, right click on the image, choose properties and summary->advanced. You should see a similar window...


Let us know the Aperture, Shutter and the ISO.

Quoting Kmonroe (Reply 6):
shooting in raw would improve the quality, right?

Yea...But for starters I would still recommend JPEG. RAW is rightfully useful when you need to control the exposure.

Quoting Kmonroe (Reply 6):
you can still see a decrease in quality

Well...the decrease is not very visible. post us some of ur originals...

--Vas
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JeffM
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting VasanthD (Reply 7):
RAW is rightfully useful when you need to control the exposure.

err.....I would say it's more like.."RAW is useful when you don't know how to control the exposure.."  Wink
 
Newark777
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:03 pm

I wouldn't start taking RAW images until you start taking higher quality photos (never saw the ones linked above, I'm assuming things), unless you have a lot of hard drive space to eat up.

I would definitely NOT, I repeat, NOT, start learning your camera by taking poor photos and assuming you can fix them with PS. You will never take great photos using that approach. PS is a tool, not a crutch.

Harry
Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
 
viv
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:57 pm

Don't bother with RAW. Learn how shutter speed and aperture interact and, with practice, you will get correct exposure straight out of the camera. You can then use PS to straighten, crop, resize and sharpen.
Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
 
linco22
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 10):
Don't bother with RAW

Hi Viv, I was out on Sunday, very overcast and shot using RAW. I must say I was tending to forget about getting the exposure right and thinking i'll fix it later. Plus I only got 130 odd shots on my 1 gb card! Think i'll stick with getting it right in shutter/aperture/wb etc settings on the camera

Regards
Colin  Smile
 
vasanthd
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting Kmonroe (Reply 6):
'Scene' selector (sports - autofocus)

Are you using one of the pre-defined settings mode? The best mode to shoot most of the time is the Aperture mode. Set it to F8-F13 in nice day lights, ISO 100, 200 and just press the shutter and ensure ur shutter does not go less than 1/200 in normal condns.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 8):
RAW is useful when you don't know how to control the exposure.."

 Smile LOL...but its always easy to learn (though painful) from your own mistakes...

--Vas
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viv
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 11):
Plus I only got 130 odd shots on my 1 gb card!

Yep, RAW is a hungry format.

Me, I haven't taken an aircraft shot in three weeks - horrible weather here in Lux. It's been snowing all day today.
Nikon D700, Nikkor 80-400, Fuji X Pro 1, Fujinon 35 f/1.4, Fujinon 18 f/2
 
javibi
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 11):
Plus I only got 130 odd shots

Only?!  duck 
 
linco22
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting Javibi (Reply 14):
Only?!

Well i didnt say I filled the card....... well actually i did. A bit shutter happy that day....

Regards
Colin  Smile
 
kmonroe
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:59 am

Quote:
Let us know the Aperture, Shutter and the ISO.

f/5.2, 1/190 sec, and ISO-50 - I'll post an original image in an hour or two so you can see how those settings work for me.

Quote:
I would definitely NOT, I repeat, NOT, start learning your camera by taking poor photos and assuming you can fix them with PS. You will never take great photos using that approach. PS is a tool, not a crutch.

Yeah, I agree with that. I jumped in head first w/o taking the time to learn the most important aspects of photography. Right now I've slowed down and am learning the things I should've learned a month ago.
 
kmonroe
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:26 am

Ok, still need to get an orig uploaded, but in the meantime I'd like to get opinions on this photo.

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn083924dv.jpg

It looks like it might need some CCW rotation, but is the quality up to A.NET standards?
 
Psych
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:08 am

Hello Keith.

With your new photo I would suggest a closer crop to the nose and tail for a start, but I feel that the middle area of the aircraft is currently looking slightly soft and could benefit from further sharpening. I would also say that the lack of direct lighting on this side of the fuselage is not helping you, and has adversely affected the overall quality.

So I'm sorry to say that, in my opinion, I wouldn't be too confident.

All the best.

Paul
 
kmonroe
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:58 am

Thanks for your comments, Paul. I think I'm going to scrap that picture though, I don't really like the composition of it. And it really helps when you guys point out areas that are soft, jagged, overexposed, etc. I'm still developing the eye for scrutinizing my own photographs, but until I get good at it, your help is really appreciated. Anyway, here are two new photographs (last ones, I promise). One is the original and the other is the edited version (haven't applied any USM yet). Tell me what you think 1) of my cameras settings 2) of the edited pic.

Original: http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1028orig2wh.jpg
Edited: http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn1028edit1px.jpg

-Keith
 
timdegroot
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:31 am

That NW Airbus I would forget about, the heathaze on the front ruins it.

Tim
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Newark777
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:32 am

It also looks like both of those shots are back lit. Always try to choose a spotting location with the sun at your back.

Harry
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kmonroe
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RE: After A Few Rejections... Need Advice

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:55 am

Yeah, they were both backlit. And I notice the heat haze now, I thought something was strange about that pic but couldn't put a finger on it. Well, here's the re-edited Northwest pic (from original post). There are some jaggies on the black stripe near the nose, but I'm not sure if that small amount is enough for it to get rejected. I think it's sharper than my other try. If those jaggies pose a real problem, is there any way to correct that (other than using less USM)? Thanks.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/northwest_N308US.jpg

-Keith

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