flyfisher1976
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This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:30 pm

I have a suspision that this rejection reason was erroniously applied...maybe the wrong box was checked?

How can you reject this photo for "motive"...
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r..._3299_2006_02_16_BOS_N925UA.jpg???

I'll just assume that this was a mistake. Can I get the real rejection reason from the screener?

Also, this one was rejected for soft:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...IMG_3281_2006_02_16_BOS_N505AU.jpg

This was one of the many times where a personal message from the screener would have helped a lot. Was it soft in some areas, or the whole image? Image sharpening is one area that I have a lot of trouble with despite using suggested workflows. Any help would be appreciated.
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tom3
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:35 pm

Hello

For the first one I think it's Bad Motive because the tail is cut off !

And for the second , a little more sharpen and then it should be ok IMO !


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flyfisher1976
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting Tom3 (Reply 1):
For the first one I think it's Bad Motive because the tail is cut off !

Thanks for the input, but I hardly think that is the case. I don't think I need to post examples to show that this "motive" has many other accepted examples in the database. Had to be a mistake. I will appeal this one, unless anyone has any other suggestions.

As for the second one, it was processed using the same workflow as all the others that were accepted. So why would it be rejected for soft? Was it soft just in some areas?
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:47 pm

Joseph,

It's a great shot (nice lighting) but these things are subjective - I've had similar angles rejected. Appeal by all means but don't sweat it.


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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Tom3 (Reply 1):
For the first one I think it's Bad Motive because the tail is cut off !

Well, I agree that it looks rather weird with the tail cut off like that.
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flyfisher1976
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:02 am

Quoting Sulman (Reply 3):
these things are subjective

I just don't understand how a particular crop could be so widely accepted, then suddenly rejected for motive. I mean, what's fair is fair, and this certainly is not.
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 5):
I just don't understand how a particular crop could be so widely accepted, then suddenly rejected for motive. I mean, what's fair is fair, and this certainly is not.

I don't think that this kind of crop is widely accepted here on A.net; at least I don't recall having seen shots here in the near past where entire parts of the tail were cut off.
You might mistake the crop with crops that have stabilizers cut off but on your shot the entire rear part of the aircraft is gone and that's quite clearly stated as badmotive here on A.net.
If possible re-upload the shot with the tail in and it should work out ok.

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Lindy
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:05 am

Evidently you didn't read the Airliners.net Upload Page rules. You can find it here: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/

One of the points states:
- Upload shots showing the whole aircraft with no part covered or cropped out.

Take it easy, its not end of the world.

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:07 am

You cut only 10% off the aircraft and that doesn't look good at all in my opinion. We shouldn't declare our pictures equal to others so easily.

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:17 am

The bar has definately been raised. The screeners are getting more picky.

Can anyone help me with this rejection? Rejected for "BLURRY"

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...s/big/20060303_Picture182edit1.jpg

Thanks,
Adam
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Adamwright (Reply 9):

Can anyone help me with this rejection? Rejected for "BLURRY"

Looks like motion blur, especially noticeable around the engine. Probably nothing to do about it, unfortunately.

Quoting Lindy (Reply 7):

One of the points states:
- Upload shots showing the whole aircraft with no part covered or cropped out.

There's plenty of shots on here with something cropped off, so that's not a steadfast rule, which leads to this confusion.

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flyfisher1976
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 7):
Upload shots showing the whole aircraft with no part covered or cropped out.

Give me a break!   This is just another case of selective application of the "rules". Many pictures with portions of the aircraft cropped out were accepted in the past and on an ongoing basis...Sorry, but your reply is a cop-out.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
There's plenty of shots on here with something cropped off, so that's not a steadfast rule, which leads to this confusion.

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Quoting Lindy (Reply 7):
Take it easy, its not end of the world.

Thanks for the condescending commentary. I hardly see it as the "end of the world". Just pointing out another batant example of screening inconsistency on this site.

[Edited 2006-03-03 18:34:36]
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:14 am

I disagree that it is blatant screening inconsistency. In my opinion, this crop is not esthetically pleasing. Other crops are (in general) better. That I guess was also what the screener thought. There is no inconsistency in that. Just think by yourself - would this pic be better if I had not cropped it? If the answer is no, by all means appeal, if it's yes, try to rework it... Just my 2 cents...
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:15 am

Hi,

I would have gone with grainy as well but as no one else picked up on that the problem may be with my monitor.
Motiv, I am going to agree it is not an especially pleasing crop, should have cropped more or less of the tail.
I was going to link other photos to illustrate but you 2nd one is a decent example of a crop that works better.

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 11):
Give me a break! This is just another case of selective application of the "rules". Many pictures with portions of the aircraft cropped out were accepted in the past and on an ongoing basis...Sorry, but your reply is a cop-out.

I can't remember exactly where it was in the rules but there is something about well motivated crops being acceptable and that is my way of doing things. I like tight crops and a good many of mine have bits missing. I crop at the taking stage rather than on the computer. Hopefully they are well motivated and as others have said, your example here looks awkward. I would have to say that I consider it bad motive too.

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 14):
I crop at the taking stage rather than on the computer.

 checkmark  Me too.......well I try lol. Big grin
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 11):
Thanks for the condescending commentary. I hardly see it as the "end of the world". Just pointing out another batant example of screening inconsistency on this site.

I just had 2 pictures rejected  Smile LOL in this very moment. I didn't get rejection email yet so I don't know the reasons.

Just laugh about it. I had many pictures rejected for bad crop  Smile

Rafal

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flyfisher1976
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:08 am

Lindy, sorry if i took your comment the wrong way...
Will try a different crop, thanks for all who gave input.
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:21 am

Is this crop any better?

...
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/4765/img329920060216bosn925ua20ai.jpg

Thanks, JD
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:36 am

JD that looks a lot better in my opinion.
Good luck with it its a lovely shot.
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 18):
Is this crop any better?

IMO it does look better, but it still isn't perfect.. (In my oppinion that is)

A crop closer to the left engine could look better..
Now it looks bad centered!

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:08 am

JD,

If it were me uploading I would crop it like this:-

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/791/7375226no.jpg

Also, not sure if it is me or my monitor but the image looks like it could do with a small kick of contrast, I have added a touch to my link

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 17):
Lindy, sorry if i took your comment the wrong way...

No problem here  Smile

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:17 am

I agree with Stefan and Ben. Horizontally center the fuselage for this shot, ignoring the wings and engines.
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 21):
JD,

If it were me uploading I would crop it like this:-

This crop does look more balanced. Thanks, I'll probably give this one a try.
 
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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:24 pm

I played with this crop forever before settling this version. I think having the whole vertical stab in makes it more pleasing, also less space in front of the nose.


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I like your revised crop, seems to work better.

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RE: This Must Have Been A Mistake...

Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:47 pm

It's a great shot with the new crop there but I have the feeling that it'll go for having too much noise.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 13):
I would have gone with grainy as well but as no one else picked up on that the problem may be with my monitor.

Not your monitor Chris, there's a fair bit there.

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