ake0404ar
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Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:52 am

I am not 100% sure but I'd appreciate some other opinions:

Check this one out

taken from
http://os.propserver.com/fleet-details.php?aircraft_id=237



and this one


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Photo © Vasco Garcia



To me it looks like that they cropped out the airliners.net watermark and used the rest of the picture.

Funny enough I talked to them on Friday to negotiate a price.........now it seems the price went up quite a bit!!!!!!

Vasco
 
Morvious
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
Funny enough I talked to them on Friday to negotiate a price.........now it seems the price went up quite a bit!!!!!!

Yeah nail them.. That will atleast teach them I hope!!

Keep us updated!
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andrewuber
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:35 am

Nail their asses Vasco - they blatantly STOLE your photo, MODIFIED it, and are PROFITING from it (by promoting their aircraft).

The price should go up ten fold. Make an example out of this case with them - let them know that this crap will NOT be tolerated. Don't go easy on them or they'll keep doing it in the future.

Good luck, and please do keep us posted.

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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:51 am

Vasco: How did you find out this was being done?
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ake0404ar
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:25 am

Well, I knew for which website they wanted to use the shot (since the person mentioned it during our telephone conversation on Friday) and they were looking for other photos as well.

So I just browsed their site to see what's already there................that they just went ahead, cropped out the watermark and put the image up on their site is just plain dumb, if you ask me.

Vasco
 
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:47 am

This was at the Dubai air show right? They will probably say that shot is from another photographer who shot it. However looking at it closely, the tracks on the carpet are the same in both shots, as well as the reflections near the front of the cabin.
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ake0404ar
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:22 pm

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 5):
This was at the Dubai air show right? They will probably say that shot is from another photographer who shot it. However looking at it closely, the tracks on the carpet are the same in both shots, as well as the reflections near the front of the cabin.

It is my shot, there is no doubt about it!
 
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:00 pm

If it was taken by someone else, then they did so at the exact same moment, because the light from the side window on the floor and on the left seat are exactly the same, and these move with the sun quite fast. Plus the magazines and the overexposure by the doorway. No question. Please update us on the outcome!
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:54 pm

Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
To me it looks like that they cropped out the airliners.net watermark and used the rest of the picture.

Are you sure, they cropped out the A.net watermark? To me, it looks, as if they didn't see the watermark at all - AFAIK, FC members don't see the watermark.

Or did you mean the "A.net copyright bar"?

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ILOVEA340
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:16 pm

I just did a transperency overlay of them in the stupidest program known to man (ESRI ArcMap) and sure enough I am quite confident that they did in fact cut the watermark as the photo was cropped just a few pixels above where the watermark would have been.
 
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:39 pm

So what happened to the table? In Vasco's photo it covers part of the seat on the captain's side. Where did the seatbelts come from, which aren't in Vasco's photo? It's not the same photo.


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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:54 pm

Quoting Pepef (Reply 10):
So what happened to the table? In Vasco's photo it covers part of the seat on the captain's side. Where did the seatbelts come from, which aren't in Vasco's photo? It's not the same photo.

Ah they got caught... the photo in that link about 12 hours ago was Vasco's, since they were busted they have changed the image.

Hope you took a screen dump Vasco!

C
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:11 pm

Either they bough an image very quickly or i hope they get caught again 

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beechcraft
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:16 pm

Wow,
They´re stealing and covering that up by stealing something else.
Quite creative!!!!

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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting AKE0404AR (Thread starter):
cropped out the airliners.net watermark and used the rest of the picture.

That's why using it in the middle of the pic should be a thing to consider.  Smile
After all, the watermark should cover the main object, not just some sky or floor. It's useless there.

Good luck Vasco.

cheers,
F.
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ake0404ar
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting Gerardo (Reply 8):
Are you sure, they cropped out the A.net watermark? To me, it looks, as if they didn't see the watermark at all - AFAIK, FC members don't see the watermark.

Yes, the cropped out the watermark! That is a fact!

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 12):
Either they bought an image very quickly or i hope they get caught again

Some other a.net photographer took their first offer!

The image was taken down. Case closed!
 
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:29 am

woops, didn't read far enough :-p

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ake0404ar
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:55 pm

Well it seems that the case is closed for me, but they just opened another case. The shot showing up on the screen is from a fellow a.net photographer and guess what.......they did not ask for permission either. How dare they are!!!!!


No his shot is the thumbnail and if you click on the image mine comes up again..........

Unbelievable

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gerardo
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:11 pm

WOW! Really dumb!!

Go get them, Vasco!

Cheers
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ake0404ar
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:05 am

This is the answer I have gotten this afternoon after I sent them an invoice for the usage:
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Dear Mr Garcia,

I hope this email reaches you well, I have been briefed by my colleague
______ as to the situation regarding the use of an image of a Piaggio
aircraft.

As you will be aware, design agencies use the fantastic resources that
are photo libraries on a daily basis, the libraries provide excellent
images and concepts that provide designers with creative direction and
ideas when developing a project.

We use low resolution images from all sorts of sites to provide our
clients with ideas and concepts - then when the client accepts the
chosen concept we always go back and pay for the images that will be
used in the final project.

Now whilst you have seen one of your images on a site we have designed,
that site was not live - in fact the site is still undergoing client
requested changes as we speak. The site is currently hosted on our
development server, and will remain there until we have bought all the
images we intend to use on the site (which we are almost through
doing).

Every other supplier of photography we've bought images from is only
too helpful in recommending other images from their library we could
use, in fact its often resulted in us buying more images from them then
we originally anticipated - they're obviously happy with this
arrangement!

Reluctantly we're now not able to use your image and have removed it
from the web site, you can also rest assured we will not use any of
your images in any future projects that require aircraft images.

I wish you every luck in the future with your photography.

Yours sincerely

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What a load of bulls..t
 
JayDavis
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:23 am

Hey listen up guys,

I am TOTALLY in agreement with Vasco on this.

However, I've been in the same boat recently but in a different photo
subject and you ALWAYS get more flies with honey than vinegar.

Sad but true................
 
Stealthz
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:41 am

Firstly let me say I am supprtive of Vasco in this matter.

Now, perhaps space for some "benefit of doubt" for the website developer.
Perhaps a mistake was made in letting a development site get out into the real world. I have no idea where Vasco got the URL he linked in his posting but it looks to me like a development site.
Perhaps the 2nd photo used was not a reaction to being "busted" but an attempt to provide choices to their client.
Maybe they were going to pay when they decided on the final photos, maybe not. What does appear certain is they will not be using Vasco's photos and most likely none from A.net.
I have noticed over the past year a fairly consistant adversarial atmosphere between the photographers here and the "customer". Is that healthy? Perhaps it is a slanted view because only the bad experiences get talked about? I don't know.

Not sure this line of thought is going to endear me to many here but it is my 2 cents worth!

Cheers
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photopilot
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:16 am

Well it's absolute BS to say this is a development website. It doesn't have some obscure URL leading to a development server. The URL is the direct name of the company leading right onto the website.

Go get em and make them pay.
 
Stealthz
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 22):
The URL is the direct name of the company leading right onto the website.

Not exactly if my company name was Ocean Sky, I would not want something like os.propserver.com as my URL but if I was a web development and marketing company called Propeller Studios it is possible that it would be the URL of a site under development for a client. I think the big mistake was not securing it so that access was restricted.

But I don't mind continue with the us and them thing!

C
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 23):



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 23):
Not exactly if my company name was Ocean Sky, I would not want something like os.propserver.com as my URL

Just type in the following Company Name

www.oceansky.com

You will find that it opens the or.propserver.com directly.
 
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 24):
Just type in the following Company Name

www.oceansky.com

You will find that it opens the or.propserver.com directly.

I know that, but I still tend to think that is either a mistake by the Web content provider or the client.. not how I would structure my site.. or a clients.
os.propserver.com indicates to me that it is hosted on a server at the designers (Propeller Studios) facility not the final production location, certainly their other clients sites do not link back in the same way. I have seen many instances where "development" sites have been seized upon by some hotshot in the IT dept or similar and gone wow, let's link this!! I guess having extensive knowledge of that side of the business I can see where mistakes were made. (I personally have "released" products that were not ready for prime time.. think I am a bit more careful now)

Like I said just my 2 cents and didn't think it would be a popular view!

C

PS in the past 2 years I have seen a major camera manufacturer, one near and dear to many here, make this very mistake of "prereleasing" products because someone linked the wrong pages... more than once

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ake0404ar
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RE: Stealing Images The Right Way.........

Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:05 am

Mistake or not, live or not....at this point I really don't care!

The image was posted on their website! If I am gonna get money out of this, I am not sure yet. We'll see.

They will probably never contact me again, but to be honest, I can care less. This is not the way I am doing business.

Vasco G.

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