brianw999
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I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:44 am

OK, I've had enough now. I doesn't seem to matter what I do, I get rejection after rejection. It seems that all airliners.net wants is a side on, boring visual effect picture of an aeroplane. They wouldn't recognise a creatively angled, lit according to the time of day, interesting picture if it bit them on the arse. I get a rejection with recommendations on how to correct the problem, I reupload and it still gets rejected, often with a new reason for rejection which I frankly cannot see. It seems that photographers are at the mercy of the screeners who don't seem to work to a standard. I spend many hours adjusting my pics. I've been taking pictures for 35 + years and have won several prizes in the past.
Just in case you think this is an unwarranted rant, here's a few examples of reasons for rejection......

Green cast in the picture. This is a pic that you can find on myaviation.net Search using photographer "Brian Whitelegg" It's of a BA 747 taxiing out at LHR. Somehow I managed to upload the same picture twice ! The green "cast" is hardly surprising when you consider that the aircraft is smack alongside a green grassed area alongside the taxiway. The green is only visible in reflection on the white area of the fuselage. It's a bloody REFLECTION for christs' sake, it exists in nature, its not a colour cast ! This was the ONLY reason for rejection. I personally feel in retrospect that the pic is rather a dull one due to the poor light at the time but that aspect was not commented on.

Horizon not level.
Several rejected for this reason. Not unreasonable for some of them. I have a tendency to angle the camera down to the left sometimes when shooting quickly but I disagreed with two rejected for this reason. On printing them and also zooming in on editing software I found them to be out of alignment by approximately 6 PIXELS !! I defy anyone to visually identify such a measurement.

Aircraft too far away.
By this I assume that the screener doesn't like the amount of surrounding scenery kept in the picture which adds to the ambience of the picture. So I crop the picture ( hovertaxiing helicopter ) and resubmit. Now it's rejected for the "not level" reason !! This was the 6 pixel one.

One pic was rejected because I typed the registration with an underscore rather than a dash ! Picky or what ?

I'm sorry, no doubt many of you will shrug me off as just another "whinger" but the difference in the abilities, requirements and views of the screeners for airliners.net means I won't be wasting any more valuable time uploading pictures that I have spent a great deal of time on. I'll stick to myaviation.net, always assuming of course that this post doesn't get me banned from that site.

For those that get pictures accepted...bloody well done ! I know how much hard work you put into your pictures.....but I also know how lucky you were to get past a screener.

PS. Just in case you all think that I feel that ALL my pics should have been accepted I have to say that I agree with probably 65% - 70% of the rejections.
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
It seems that all airliners.net wants is a side on, boring visual effect picture of an aeroplane.

I understand your frustration, rejections can be a pain, but we both know this statement has nothing true in it. Check the latest Top of the Day photos in the section on the frontpage...

F.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
It seems that all airliners.net wants is a side on, boring visual effect picture of an aeroplane. They wouldn't recognise a creatively angled, lit according to the time of day, interesting picture if it bit them on the arse.

Flat out wrong! I don't even want to waste time going through the database to pull all the great shots that get added every day.

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
I spend many hours adjusting my pics.

Funny, I spend about 15 minutes doing 5 pictures or so.

The longer you edit, usually the less chance you have of an acceptance. Everyone has felt the same way you do, it is part of being a member of the site. If you keep plugging along I am sure you will finally get the hang of it. Here is one tip: Don't take it personal. Just try to learn. It is way more fun, and you don't get upset and want to leave. I look at A.net as a game. Can I get a photo past the screeners? What do I need to do in order to win the game. Sometimes I lose, and sometimes I feel I lost unfairly, but I still have fun playing. It took me about 9 months of uploading to finally learn this and I have become a better photog, and have had a lot of fun along the way. I wish you the best of luck figuring things out.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:55 am


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Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
This was the ONLY reason for rejection

I agree screeners should mention all possible reasons...but hey...sh*t happens

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
but that aspect was not commented on.

Here are other flaws which I could spot...
1) Bad Soft,
2) Bad Angle,
3) bad Motive

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
I defy anyone to visually identify such a measurement.

Then how did the screener find out the 6px inclination?

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
Picky or what

Yes!! If the screeners start to correct our mistakes, every photographer would not be bothered to spend time in giving correct info. Its our picture and we need to make sure that every info is perfect before submitting...

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
I also know how lucky you were

Yup!!! Did you know that even screeners get their photos rejected?

--Vas
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
I know how much hard work you put into your pictures.....but I also know how lucky you were to get past a screener.

after that comment, please allow me to be honest with you. The only pictures I have seen on airliners.net with quality consistant to yours were added before 1999.

Your photos are too big, they are grainy and they are taken from too far a distance. Most of your pictures seem to come from seat 70k. While 70k may seem to be a great seat, you are apparently using the highest zoom factor your camera will allow adding to camera shake and blurriness.

You need to get closer, you need to have better light, you need a better photo processor or you need a new camera.

It is not impossible to get photos accepted with little to no photography experience, and apparently you have plenty (over 35 years???????). You should know better.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
Flat out wrong! I don't even want to waste time going through the database to pull all the great shots that get added every day.

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Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
The longer you edit, usually the less chance you have of an acceptance. Everyone has felt the same way you do, it is part of being a member of the site. If you keep plugging along I am sure you will finally get the hang of it. Here is one tip: Don't take it personal. Just try to learn.

Exactly, I just got couple accepted and editing them went quickly and trust me I am no PS pro and I am still learning how to use the program. If you have good lighting and exposure your ahead of the game.

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
I'm sorry, no doubt many of you will shrug me off as just another "whinger" but the difference in the abilities, requirements and views of the screeners for airliners.net means I won't be wasting any more valuable time uploading pictures that I have spent a great deal of time on. I'll stick to myaviation.net, always assuming of course that this post doesn't get me banned from that site.

Relax  cool 

Doubt you will get banned, wouldn't you be better served posting your rejections here and asking advice,? Trust me it doesn't work right away but you will improve. Don't forget trial and error, experiment a bit. After some time you will improve.

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
For those that get pictures accepted...bloody well done ! I know how much hard work you put into your pictures.....but I also know how lucky you were to get past a screener.

 confused  Take a deep breath, and don't start buying into the crap thas has been posted here about how things are screened and blah blah blah.

Look, the process here is simple and it works. There is no luck involved. Stop with the negativity and get out there and try. You will surprise yourself.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:02 am

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
It seems that all airliners.net wants is a side on, boring visual effect picture of an aeroplane.

Replace "airliners.net" with "mikephotos", "visual effect" with "perfect", "picture" with "slide" and "aeroplane" with "airplane" and your statement is 100% accurate  Smile

Mike
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:08 am

BrianW999,

I understand your frustration I really do. I've had so many rejections the past few days that I've decided to have a break from uploading. I just can't produce the quality that the acceptance standards require. But whether we agree or not, to get shots accepted here we need to follow what anet are after.

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
Funny, I spend about 15 minutes doing 5 pictures or so.

Same here. Any longer on a pic and you can be pretty sure that its a no go for here.

If you feel you need help with a pic, let one of us know. Sometimes having other folks edit your pics helps a great deal. For instance INNFlight!! He's helped me contstantly and it all helps.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
get out there and try. You will surprise yourself.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:14 am

Quit whining.

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
I spend many hours adjusting my pics. I've been taking pictures for 35 + years and have won several prizes in the past.

That's your problem. It shouldnt take more then afew minutes.
Also, what you have done in the past is of no concern here. There are different rules here.

Congratulations on your past prizes,....good luck over at Brand X.
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
Somehow I managed to upload the same picture twice ! The green "cast" is hardly surprising when you consider that the aircraft is smack alongside a green grassed area alongside the taxiway. The green is only visible in reflection on the white area of the fuselage. It's a bloody REFLECTION for christs' sake, it exists in nature, its not a colour cast ! This was the ONLY reason for rejection. I personally feel in retrospect that the pic is rather a dull one due to the poor light at the time but that aspect was not commented on.

If you knew that: a) it was a dull day, b) the grass would produce such an effect on your shot, why did you even bother with it? Give me a break. Anyone with minimal photography knowledge would know better.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 9):
Anyone with minimal photography knowledge would know better

That I disagree... But you learn from experience. Maybe Brian is experiencing this issue for the first time. I hope he now realizes the effect of bad light photography.

--Vas
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:13 am

Well, if that the photo in question, it's bloomin' awful! It's hideously over-exposed and poorly framed. Taken in poor light to boot. And man, it's a BA B747. It's got to be good to be appreciated.
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 11):
Taken in poor light to boot.

Along with Kodak DX 6490....( I guess that maybe the reason for his recent rejections.)

Photos taken with SLR-like and P/S cameras has to be in real good light and up-close to get a close A.net quality most of the times.

--Vas
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:37 am

I'm going to have to agree with Jeff on this one. Quit whining.

Bottom line is that if you don't want to put the effort in to become a better photographer to get your work on here, then why complain?

From what I can see, to be honest with you, is that your work is nowhere near the level of quality and creativity that currently makes it on this site.

As someone who works at making (not taking) better photos I appreciate the increasing level of difficulty in getting something on here.

Pete
 
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Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:48 am

You are correct and NOT whining! I will not submit my photos here again. Even though my complaints were vindicated by 'long time' screeners. I will not submit to myaviation either.
I instead submit to JP.net. My post will most likely be deleted because the truth does hurt.
I've actually been contacted more on JP by magazines & others wanting to use my photos than I have on A.net (I have more photos on A.net too)

I've been hearing that JP screeners are getting more like A.net screeners by several photogs. I haven't seen that myself.

But hey, the A.net hierarchy do not care what we think.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting VasanthD (Reply 10):
That I disagree... But you learn from experience. Maybe Brian is experiencing this issue for the first time. I hope he now realizes the effect of bad light photography.

If he's been photographing for 35+ years, I find it hard to believe this greenish issue has never come up. Indeed, one would hope he learned from the experience.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
I will not submit my photos here again

Oh God not this again  banghead 

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
Even though my complaints were vindicated by 'long time' screeners.

Which means nothing. Just because someone(whether ex anet screener or not) is willing to be your crying towel and agree with your foolishness doesn't give credability to your argument.

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
I instead submit to JP.net. My post will most likely be deleted because the truth does hurt.

Great, as is your right. I hope your post doesn't get deleted. JP is a great site. Just because this site has high standards doesn't make one better for exposure than the other.

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
I've actually been contacted more on JP by magazines & others wanting to use my photos than I have on A.net (I have more photos on A.net too)

Just because an entity spots your photo on JP and not anet or vice versca doesn't mean anything as far as quality of the two.

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
I've been hearing that JP screeners are getting more like A.net screeners by several photogs. I haven't seen that myself.

OMG, then what will the excuse be?

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
But hey, the A.net hierarchy do not care what we think.

I think they do actually, if you what you think actually made some sense. Give them a try.
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vasanthd
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:01 am

The other site must be crazy to accept these photos...with todays better photographic equipment.

I betcha the above photo would not get accepted by the other site...

--Vas
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:02 am

Meh, I have been taking more time with my shots recently and I'm 4 for 4. I don't know if the standards have gone up but whatever. That shot was bad and was rejected rightfully so. There have been some boarder line shots recently that I have disagreed with but this isn't one.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:19 am

Brian -

Have a look at the recent photos added to the database. You cannot honestly say that the BA 744 shot is along the same quality. It's not even remotely close. On top of what Vas mentioned, the exposure is blown way out as well.

I hate to shatter your ego, but I doubt even "brand x" would accept that photo.

The difference between you and the rest of us is that while we ALL get rejections (Yes, ALL OF US DO), we try to LEARN from those rejections, and apply those lessons to future uploads. I would suggest you try that approach instead of complaining about rejection after rejection. Complain about it once - fine - then make changes to your processing to avoid that same rejection in the future. Eventually you'll run out of reasons and start getting some shots accepted. That's how I did it.

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
But hey, the A.net hierarchy do not care what we think.

After a comment like that, I think the "A.net hierarchy" won't care what YOU think any more.

Thread lockage is imminent at this point...

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 19):
The difference between you and the rest of us is that while we ALL get rejections (Yes, ALL OF US DO), we try to LEARN from those rejections, and apply those lessons to future uploads. I would suggest you try that approach instead of complaining about rejection after rejection. Complain about it once - fine - then make changes to your processing to avoid that same rejection in the future. Eventually you'll run out of reasons and start getting some shots accepted. That's how I did it.

I think this about sums it up. I think enough has been said about this. It's sad to see people leave but frankly that BA 747 is well below standard as was correctly rejected.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:30 am

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 14):
You are correct and NOT whining! I will not submit my photos here again. Even though my complaints were vindicated by 'long time' screeners. I will not submit to myaviation either.

LOL....yet you feel a need to throw your 2 cents in here though?

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 21):
Brand X is just that, nothing more.

I'd say Brand X has quite a following... and their quality standards are similar to those at photobucket.com and image-shack. Those might be appropriate sites to upload these shots to as well!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 19):
I hate to shatter your ego, but I doubt even "brand x" would accept that photo.



Quoting VasanthD (Reply 17):
The other site must be crazy to accept these photos...with todays better photographic equipment.

I betcha the above photo would not get accepted by the other site...

You know what's funny about all this Brand X stuff, the thread starter never said he would upload there, he said he would continue to upload to MyAviation.net!!

Is there a "Brand X" Paranoia creeping in here?
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 21):
Brand X is just that, nothing more.

and I am sure that it what you thought it was back when you threw your fit here and uploaded there only.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 24):
and I am sure that it what you thought it was back when you threw your fit here and uploaded there only.

That situation never happened. Don't know why you are making that up. Probably trying to make some lame point, but failing once again. There was a time when I quit posting here over a dispute with one mod, but never, ever was there a time I quit uploading here. There was never a time I uploaded at Brand X only, and never will be. Just look at the pictures there....it is a jucking foke.  Smile
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:01 am

LOL and the biggest laugh I've had. How many times do 'some' of you have to prove how anal you are.

NIKV69, Thank You for again proving my point - A.net = anal.net.
You never fail me in that regard.

Quoting VasanthD (Reply 17):
The other site must be crazy to accept these photos...with todays better photographic equipment

The whole idea of A.net & JP were for photogs into share their photos. As long as they had fair quality. Also, if you wait 20 years, and my some miracle A.net is still around, you are assured of getting today's rejected photos accepted since the 15 year old screeners will be impressed by something that was around before they were born.  old 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 26):
...JP were for photogs into share their photos.

So you mean to say the other site never rejects photos of this quality?

And if you want a better feature than the other site, just upload to www.myaviation.net ...Same pop-up ads but NO REJECTIONS...sounds like a nice deal...right?

--Vas

[Edited 2006-03-09 03:32:25]
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 26):
As long as they had fair quality.

Perhaps you need your eyes checked or maybe you need to upgrade to a VGA monitor, because that photo is not even "fair quality". Enough already.  

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 26):
A.net = anal.net.

I am damn proud to have 460 photos on the most anal, difficult, obstinate, relentless site out there - Airliners.net. I personally LOVE the feeling of talking to a flight crew member - and when they say "Hey - have you ever seen that airliners dot net site?" I can reply with "Well as a matter of fact...."

If you want to share your photos, please DO go to another site. As I mentioned, I'm sure ImageShack and PhotoBucket would love to display your work as well. Rest assured airliners.net will be around for a VERY long time - largely because of the quality of the images here.

The policy here is simple, yet hard for folks to understand, so I'll put it in more tangeable terms for you: "No shitty photos allowed".

If this site bothers you so much, then we cordially invite you to go succeed elsewhere.   

Goodbye please.  

Drew

[Edited 2006-03-09 03:47:11]
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:01 pm

Of course I'd never say it about my photos but I have the tendency to get really excited about a "great" shot of mine right after capturing it; and in the heat of the moment I upload the shot.......

Thought sometimes I do not TOTALLY agree with decisions made by the crew at times but

.......After seeing the rejection I can usually see for myself...... sleep on your photos before uploading them. Take a gander a day or two down the road and if . .. . IF. . . They still look Damn good....then go all out and upload.


I see this more stringent application to the screening process as a blessing really. Is it difficult and frustrating...you know it. Everyone does. But after 4 rejections and several processing changes later it get accepted I know that is THE VERY BEST that you can produce. It also makes me work THAT much harder on the betterment of my photography skills. I know as the curtain falls on "lesser" photos and one of mine happe ns to get accepted I know Im improving as a photographer. As Andrew stated:

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 28):
am damn proud to have 460 photos on the most anal, difficult, obstinate, relentless site out there - Airliners.net. I personally LOVE the feeling of talking to a crew member

I too am so proud to have ANYshots on A.net. The creme de la creme
of photo sites......dont like it....go home.....If you feel inspired to go out and get that one photo that produces 50 thousand views then on your way you go. Its the trill of the hunt anyway.....the thrill of this "HOBBY" (or obsession)

Good luck.... HAVE FUN!!!


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Ps...sorry for the randomness but that my 2 cents

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:04 pm

I'm surprised to see so much misplaced superiority feeling on this forum occasionally.

I fully agree with most of the posts here, let that be clear. The picture posted by the thread starter is objectively not of a very high quality, not for normal viewers, photographers nor weirdos ( Wink) like us who upload to sites with very specific requirements.

But what I don't understand is the disdain with which all other "competitors" (if they are even that) to a.net are treated. I prefer this site above any other, for so many reasons, and uploading here makes me proud, but please... other sites (and especially jp) are becoming more and more quality-focused (which is good!) as well. I hate reading things like "we are great because we managed to get things accepted here, but you have to be a complete and utter moron if you get a rejection at any other site because they accept anything". Now just how pretentious is such a statement, and how wrong!

Anyway, I guess that's all a bit off-topic. To finish with a positive note, Brian, I must have tried at least 20 times if not more, before I got an acceptance. I've often been very angry. I've adjusted though, because I wanted to win this game, and now I'm at 74 pics, just had my first top-of-the-last-24-hours, get plenty of positive reactions and requests to use or buy pictures, and it was worth every rejection... Take care!
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 25):
Just look at the pictures there....it is a jucking foke.

Gee...Thanks...
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 26):
As long as they had fair quality. Also, if you wait 20 years, and my some miracle A.net is still around, you are assured of getting today's rejected photos accepted

Sorry,buddy! To be brutally honest that picture of G-CIVX is nothing special to justify the poor quality. There are 72 pictures of G-CIVX and thousands of BA 744s from every concievable angle on this site. Also, there are 32 crappy pictures and decent pics of G-CIVX on myaviation.net. So unless, the APU unit is smoking fire like a dragon or King Kong is riding shotgun on the vertical stabilizer, this picture was rejected for all the right reasons. Good luck in the future efforts!

Happy trails!
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 31):
Gee...Thanks...

You'll see the light one day Eric, the comment was directed at the majority of photos and people there, not all. That's all the time i'll waste on that place.
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 26):
LOL and the biggest laugh I've had. How many times do 'some' of you have to prove how anal you are.

NIKV69, Thank You for again proving my point - A.net = anal.net.
You never fail me in that regard.

And we are anal how? Why is anet anal? Please back up your words.

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 26):
The whole idea of A.net & JP were for photogs into share their photos. As long as they had fair quality

Is this written somewhere? Where do you get this from? These sites are here for photogs to show their photos, but the quality is up to Johan and Kilroy. If they want a certain level of quality it's their right and their call. Just because you find it more suitable to have these"complaints that were vindicated by long time screeners" rather than use your rejections to improve is your choice. Just don't accuse us that don't buy into your fantasy as "anal"

Quoting Runway27right (Reply 26):
Also, if you wait 20 years, and my some miracle A.net is still around, you are assured of getting today's rejected photos accepted since the 15 year old screeners will be impressed by something that was around before they were born.

Well when you read this you know discussing the matter is a lost cause.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:33 pm

I am amazed that this thread has attracted so much attention over night. I read the first few posts before bed last night and thought that the thread starter had just thrown his toys out of the pram!!!!!.
Crikey, get a grip, we all get rejections, but some of us treat them as contsructive rather than a personal insult.
Either you upload somewhere else, or try to improve your own standards to meet those on A net.
Simple really
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 2):
The longer you edit, usually the less chance you have of an acceptance.

I fully agree! A correctly-exposed shot needs very little editing, normally just levelling, cropping, resizing and sharpening.

I'm sorry to say so, but your BA 747 shot is over-exposed.

[Edited 2006-03-09 09:20:44]
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:30 pm

It took me some time to realise that if you want your photos on this database then you have to conform to Airliners standards. The sooner you realise this the better.

However I do feel that the system breeds more people that will conform within the system, which stifles creativity.
The real photographers that I know, look at me incredulously when I tell them that such and such a picture was rejected because of this or that. Don't kid yourself, we are not real photographers, we're just a bunch of snappers that take pictures for an on-line photo database.

Unfortunately, a single word can not convey the true nature of the screeners rejection, it is hurtful and inaccruate and sometimes I really feel that some screeners "haver" (Scots: to talk foolishly). And if you think screeners are bad you should hear how a photographic judge appraises competition photographs.... now if that hill was over there.....

This is not the only on-line aviation photo database, others have different standards, feel free to use them. I know that I do.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 25):
There was never a time I uploaded at Brand X only, and never will be. Just look at the pictures there....it is a jucking foke.

I'm sure the great photographers from this site that upload to both appreciate your pearls of wisdom...don't be bitter n twisted, it's starting to suit you like a gloweave jacket...
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:20 pm

Quoting Runway27Right (Reply 39):
SHARING, a concept most of you cannot understand.

Well, at least Johan understood:

http://www.myaviation.net/
That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:24 pm

Quoting Runway27Right (Reply 39):
I'll repeat for the reading challenged. A.net was started for photogs to show their photos, quality was not a huge prerogative.

...and like all things in life, anet has evolved and quality is now an issue. I'm sure when brand X gets to a certain point, it too will evolve and change its criteria.

That said, there will always be something come along behind to cater for those who can't or who don't want to make the higher grade. In a.net's case it's "myav" and I'm sure in time other sites will pop up to fill the void too.
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:33 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 23):
You know what's funny about all this Brand X stuff, the thread starter never said he would upload there, he said he would continue to upload to MyAviation.net!!

Glad at least somebody noticed that, Chris.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 23):
Is there a "Brand X" Paranoia creeping in here?

Only a little bit it seems...  beady 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 35):
Crikey, get a grip

Or as a famous man of mystery once said...

"Crikey, I lost my mojo!"

Quoting Wallace (Reply 37):
However I do feel that the system breeds more people that will conform within the system, which stifles creativity

I disagree, truth be told so called "creative shots" are actually not as hard to get accepted as a regular side on but there is still certain quality that has to be achieved.

Quoting Wallace (Reply 37):
The real photographers that I know, look at me incredulously when I tell them that such and such a picture was rejected because of this or that. Don't kid yourself, we are not real photographers, we're just a bunch of snappers that take pictures for an on-line photo database.

This statement is interesting, not that I am a great photog but you just called a lot of guys here that are great photographers "snappers" and also basically called them "fake photogs" as well. Very insulting.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:28 pm

To those of you who have given positive feedback, thank you all. It is appreciated and will most certainly NOT be ignored.

I probably won't give up because that's not really my nature. I was pissed off at the time because I couldn't agree with the reason for rejection.

The whole point I was trying to make was that I took notice of the reason for original rejection, made the appropriate corrections, and then got rejected again for a totally different reason that had not been previously mentioned. Can you understand the frustration under those circumstances ? This is not just the case with the 744 pic, its happened with many others.

If nothing else has been gained from this thread, at least I have a few names that I feel I can approach for help and advice.....I also have a few that I will avoid like the plague !
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:01 pm

Even real photographers can not agree on the merits of a photograph. For instance the Photography Monthly, Judgement section, two very experienced photographers giving contradicting opinions, you either like it or reject it, no two judges or screeners see the same photograph in the same way.
While the quality aspect of Airliners does drive one on to improve ones technique it does detract from the fun element of our hobby, especially when you open up the message to see the word "Unfortunately" and then some trite statement about how you are not worthy.
Creativity - if I submit a B&W image of an aircraft then it is expected to be without grain. There are some real photographers out there that actually add grain to a B&W image to give it atmosphere, that is not for here. I am experimenting with near infra red photography, the monochromes are amazing but I am not daft enough to submit one to any on-line aircraft photo database. Snowball's chance in Hell comes to mind.
What we have is conservative creativity - which is OK so long as you don't try anything different.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:16 pm

BrainW999,

You are not alone....... I have given up, and stayed away from uploading to A.net since late october.... one day I may decide to come back, but photos which were amazing quality, accepted anywhere else didn't make it here.....

As I've said many times before, is centreing the plane and leaving no space around it considered photography, or not?

Take photos for yourself as I do now, make them the way you like to see them, and you'll be happy.

Spending thousands of pounds on equipment and not enjoying it purely becuase this site doesn't like them, is quite riddiculous!

Keep shooting and mainly, enjoy it!

Martin
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:39 pm

Quoting BrianW999 (Reply 43):
I probably won't give up because that's not really my nature. I was pissed off at the time because I couldn't agree with the reason for rejection.

Ok, understandable. Then why this?

Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
It seems that all airliners.net wants is a side on, boring visual effect picture of an aeroplane. They wouldn't recognise a creatively angled, lit according to the time of day, interesting picture if it bit them on the arse.



Quoting BrianW999 (Thread starter):
It seems that photographers are at the mercy of the screeners who don't seem to work to a standard.

Why do you accuse people of these things? If you are not happy with the process you may find emailing the screeners would go a little further than posting your "frustration" here.

Quoting Wallace (Reply 44):
Even real photographers can not agree on the merits of a photograph

I am still not understanding your "real" vs "fake" photog thing.

Quoting Wallace (Reply 44):
For instance the Photography Monthly, Judgement section, two very experienced photographers giving contradicting opinions

Are they fake or real photogs?

Quoting Wallace (Reply 44):
While the quality aspect of Airliners does drive one on to improve ones technique it does detract from the fun element of our hobby, especially when you open up the message to see the word "Unfortunately" and then some trite statement about how you are not worthy.

Well if you read the whole email instead of getting pissed off you would see the reason and info on what is needed to save the shot if possible.

Quoting Wallace (Reply 44):
There are some real photographers out there that actually add grain to a B&W image to give it atmosphere, that is not for here

Oh the "real" photogs again. Hmmmmm

Quoting Wallace (Reply 44):
What we have is conservative creativity - which is OK so long as you don't try anything different.

You obviously haven't looked in the db lately, spend some time there and you will see it contains plenty of "creative" and "different" shots.

Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 45):
As I've said many times before, is centreing the plane and leaving no space around it considered photography, or not?

Again, browse the db you will see that not all pics are like this.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 46):
You obviously haven't looked in the db lately, spend some time there and you will see it contains plenty of "creative" and "different" shots.

It actually contains lots of pictures that conform to the standard here. Yes, there are lots of "creative" and "different" shots, but there are many more out there that are just as, if not more, visually appealing that won't make it simply because they don't conform.

Nicholas, you are reading things into Wallace's comments that just aren't there. Your attitude seems very blinkered to the point that everything at anet is right and all other views are out of step. Photography is much more than submitting to this website!
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 38):
I'm sure the great photographers from this site that upload to both appreciate your pearls of wisdom...don't be bitter n twisted, it's starting to suit you like a gloweave jacket...

As if I give a rat's a$s?

I suppose you feel you fall into that category? LOL....

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 45):
but photos which were amazing quality, accepted anywhere else didn't make it here.....

Somehow it feels like this is not the first time I hear that... it's getting old.


Quoting MartinairYYZ (Reply 45):
is centreing the plane and leaving no space around it considered photography, or not?

...and I thought the statement above was outdated? Please, how often did somebody answer this question? It's Airliners,net! A private website! Johan can do what he likes, and if he tells the crew only to accept photos with the aircraft in center so be it.

There are exceptions to this rule by the way, so the crew isn't that restrictive.

Nobody forces you to upload here, nobody ever did. This site gives exposure to my work, so I upload, but it has no impact on my photography otherwise. If the site doesn't like my stuff, so be it.

Oh, and if you spent thousands on equipment just for the sake of getting online here, I'd insert a rolling-eye smiley here. Just enjoy yourself.
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