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Help Please On Reject, Quality.. My Opinions

Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:58 pm

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20060320_SUGCI_050306_LHRb.jpg


OK Quality again...I've stood back and looked at this in hope of self improvement and heres what I think I could change, I am on a different monitor than when I edited but theres no much difference as I checked early on my editing monitor.


: Overall brightness needs increasing
: I think the tail maybe suffering as its a close colour to the sky?
: colours need a little saturation?

Not such what else , I don't want to look for things that are not there.

Look forward to some constructive advice.
Many thanks
Ian
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:59 pm

Hello! Well I like the shot even if I still find some very bad jaggies that make the photo bad quality: look at the tail bottom, the tail edge that "connects" with the fuse, all the logos, doors, stabilizers, flaps, ...

I would start from scratch with a very selective Unsharp mask... try 500/0.2 initially, remove jaggies, and if needed apply another 50/0.3.

I would also load a selective color adjustement layer in order to give a little more of saturation to the blue, as you said in your post.
Good luck with it and keep working..
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Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:59 pm

Morning Ian,

Nice capture as usual, even better its an A332! Anyway, first thing that struck me was it carries a bit of overall softness, especially on the wing. Exposure wise, the white fuselage is a little over. Maybe a kick of contrast will help and selective sharpening. Apart from that it seems fine, cant see a colour issue like you've stated......Hope this helps

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Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:17 pm

Cheers guys!

haha I know I asked for opinions  Wink so soft or sharp? I think thats probably the main reason for the rejection. I used 1 hit of 500, 0.2 , 0 on this.
I'll wait for more comments see which side of the fence the soft / jag lands then take them on board and post an update tonight.
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:14 am

My recent uploads have been alternating between rejects for jagged and soft, just terrible. Yesterday I printed out Fergul McClean's PDF on workflow from the upload page and see an immediate improvement in results. There is no limit to post processing techniques, but ones that work for A.net are few. Try Fergul's. You have nothing to lose, and I bet you'll like what you see.

Terry

Edit: Content; I didn't maximise the image before commenting on it. But, try Fergul's sharpening method. It works.

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:18 am

I'd love to see the RAW version of this image and have a chance of doing the post-processing...
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:31 am

I do follow a general work flow but I think the sharpening part still catches me out! I'll check the updated versions, noticed a lot of updates to various workflows recently so need to study them.

Click...My org is shot in L .jpg sorry otherwise I'd send you a copy, u can still have it if you want?

However I feel with the advice I have been given I can make it work, I'll post another later tonight.
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:54 am

Sure, send it over, my contact info is in my profile.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:24 am

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:40 am

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/JA732J_190306_LHRC.jpg

can I have comments on this Samurai Blue aswell cheers guys.
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Manc (Reply 9):
can I have comments on this Samurai Blue aswell cheers guys.

Hi Manc

Way too light and needs cyan in with some magenta out
Looks like you might want to drop a bit of a stop when shooting, it might help

Have a look at your PIA with Tim Ames shot from the same day, Tims is more true to the day.

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:04 am

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 208kb


This is my shot from the same day, I like it a bit on the dark side!

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:05 am

Las
The JAL is taken from RAW so I can edit. The PIA was dropped by 2/3 the sun just caught side on, I have a shot at a similar angleto Tims which has darker under wings however I went for the shot to get the full "Colours of the Desert" titles in. I thought I'd lightened it in CS but I just checked and I haven't so it the true colour out of the can with -2/3
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/JA732J_190306_LHRD.jpg

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:33 am

Alot of rejects get posted here for critique. The obvious candidate to blame is workflow. However, alot of the time it boils down to the photographer not fully understanding the functionality of their kit; some photographers I've met don't take their cameras off programme - truly shocking.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:35 am

Hi

Yes much better. Might need a tad of yellow in as JAL aircraft are not white but cream. You can only see it when on the ramp and the JALs parked next to a normal aircraft then it stands out a mile.

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:43 am

Cheers for that Tony, yeah I had a few goes at editing the JAL from RAW, this edit was taken from LJPG as I shot RAW+JPG so maybe this more like what came out of the camera. I was playing with modes, I usually shoot Shutter Pri, however I was trying Ap Pri around F8 on Sunday to see what the differences are. Still learning the camera but I understand the photo basics.

G-CIVP I think its my workflow on this one, had a change of monitor aswell which hasn't helped, still getting used to it!
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:10 am

Manc - My point about workflow was actually a general one. I think it easy to think that certain adjustments in Photoshop is necessary or it is necessary to religiously follow the prescribed opinion on the Forum.

My own opinion is that each photographer has to find what is suitable for themselves by experimenting with their camera and software. Alternatively listen to those in the know, like user 'Lasham' with his advice as he has worked in the photo industry and knows a decent photograph when it bites him on the arse!

BTW, personally I think the JAL B777 is too light but at the end of day, it depends if you are happy with it. It's all a question of taste.
 
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Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:33 am

I've only had a DSLR and done photo editing since xmas. however I have been taking photos for a long time. So I am concentrating on learning how to use the new camera functions. Using Photoshop is a new art for me so I have to use the workflows to be able to achieve a standard that this website requires, ie sharpening, dust spots etc. I agree you have to experiment but people on this forum who taken their own time to help me out have certainly speeded up my learning process not only with a DSLR but with Photoshop. I think theres a balance to be struck to optimise your learning  Wink
My acceptance rate since going digital is very good, my old photos were scanned prints hence naff quality and not good for this site. I don't post every rejection I have in here, but when I do I look for constructive help so I can learn for next time and hopefully highlight my mistakes to enable others not to make the same one.

At the end of the day its all a question of personal feelings, I can live with that  Wink

So any comments on the updated Egyptair further up the link?
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RE: Help Please On Reject, Quality.. My Opinions

Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Manc (Reply 17):
So any comments on the updated Egyptair further up the link?

Much better Ian. It looks good on screen here at home. And you seem to be getting along great with your new gear. I'm on the same boat, almost 1 year now since getting my 350D and just had my new 'L' glass a few months. All I can recommend is practice practice practice! Even in the rain!

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Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:09 am

Mmm, just re-read my last post, the grammar is dreadful ("I think it easy to think")! Too tired! Briefly:

Agreed, using the forum is an invaluable resource to point photographers in the right direction. Scanning from prints will have variable results.

Regarding the Eygptair, looks soft and slightly out of focus.

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