virgin8
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Wide Angle Lenses

Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:06 pm

Hi

I'm looking to buy a good quality wide angle lens,does anybody have any ideas as to which one I should go for.

I have a canon 20D

Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:33 pm

I'd say go for the Canon EF-S 10-22mm or the Sigma 10-20mm. The Sigma is considerably cheaper and gives great results. The problem with the Canon is that it'll only work on 20D, 350D and 30D. If you plan to go full-frame one day, the EF-S will not work (I think). Also, with full-frame one probably wants a 16-35mm so then just go for that now. 16mm is pretty wide even on a 20D.
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:34 pm

EF-S 10-22mm. Think its Paul Robbins has some great shots on here with that lens. Search it in the remarks field to see what you find.

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GVerbeeck
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:48 pm

I have heard nothing but good comments on the EF-S 10-22. Also, you might have a look at the new EF-S 17-55 2.8...

Personally I'm looking for a wide-angle as well, but one that can be used on a film and FF digital body, so it crosses out the EF-S lenses. I'm stuck between the 16-35L and 17-40L... It's mainly for non-aviation photography and yes, I make good use of f/2.8. The only thing that's holding me off is the rather mixed reviews on the 16-35. Anyone here who actually uses/used the 16-35?

Giovanni
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:09 pm

I've used the 16-35 on first my 300D and then my 5D for over a year now with spectacular results. Mostly landscape shots, but also good for full airport views (such as the morning line up at Terminal 2 at MAN.)
It can be a bit soft at either extreme, and I've heard others say that their versions are not always sharp. I must have got a good copy. When I put a specialized wide angle circular polarizer on it, I get some amazing colors in the sky.
The 2.8 is also great for low light indoors, especially on the 5D.
I will try to find a few examples to post.
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:33 am

The Tokina 12-24mm is really good as well. Constant F/4. The latest issue of Popular Photography magazine has an in depth comparison of a few wide angle lenses, check it out, this lens is included and had very high marks.
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 5):
The Tokina 12-24mm is really good as well. Constant F/4. The latest issue of Popular Photography magazine has an in depth comparison of a few wide angle lenses, check it out, this lens is included and had very high marks.

I agree with this comment. In a short time this one will be part of my equipment  veryhappy  .

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting Vivwatts (Reply 1):
the Sigma 10-20mm. The Sigma is considerably cheaper and gives great results. The problem with the Canon is that it'll only work on 20D, 350D and 30D. If you plan to go full-frame one day, the EF-S will not work (I think).

The Sigma 10-20 is a DC lens meaning it will only fit a APS/c camera but is not like the Canon counterpart limited to 300, 350 and 20D.
The Sigma 12-24 is the only full frame lens in this segment.

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 3):
The only thing that's holding me off is the rather mixed reviews on the 16-35.

Dont believe everything you hear, people that have high praise for the 17-40 and give the 16-35 a bad rap have probably never tried the latter. Its a superb lens!

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:17 am

Thanks for the info guys.

Some great shots you've got there Carlos!

Think I'm going to take the plunge and order a 16-35 and a nice 85mm prime  Wink.

Gio
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:40 am

I would recommend the Nikkor 10.5mm DX lens  wink :

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 9):
Think I'm going to take the plunge and order a 16-35

Did you read this review Giovanni ?
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/canon-17-40.shtml
It seems that the 17-40 is just the better lens in many aspects and about half the price.
Personally I have only experience with the 16-35 predecessor the 17-35/2.8L and did not like it a single bit as soon as I swapped from Analog to Digital.
Having said that I do know the 16-35 has improved a lot.

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:21 am

I know about the review (and all the other ones as well  Smile) Willem; I've been speculating about what lens to get for over a year now. Photozone on the other hand rates the 16-35 as slightly superior. I guess it all boils down to sample-to-sample variation. My dealer reassured me that 16-35 lemons (one in ten!) are a thing of the past; on the internet, there's also the rumour that lenses produced since August last year are of better quality. Strange enough, my CPS-representative doesn't seem to know about any bad QC on this lens.  Wink

With getting my 20D last year, now it's about time to get a WA. I would settle with the 17-40 if I wouldn't need (and use) f/2.8 so often. I've read on numerous occasions that the 16-35, and the 17-40 as well, outperform the Canon primes in this range, so I think I'll go with the versatility and high-speed of the 16-35. But then again, the lower price on the 17-40 would allow me to get a 135L instead of the 85 I'm looking at now.  spin 

Bottom line is that most people think a WA zoom will (and should) be comparable in optical quality to a 70/80-200 f/2.8 telezoom. But I don't think that's achievable...

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:45 am

G'day Giovanni
Before laying down the cash for the 16-35 i'd be taking a long hard look at the actual lens i am buying.
Having used and then onsold a 16-35/2.8 its qualioty is pretty inconsistent.
Some copies amazing others very poor.
APparantly the QC of the lenses made after mar 2005 have improved quite a bit so check the build date on the lens you are purchasing.
Here is how to determine build date if you dont know.
The first letter, "U", indicates that the lens was made in Canon's Utsunomiya, Japan factory. Prior to 1986, this letter is moved to the last position of the date code.

U = Utsunomiya, Japan
F = Fukushima, Japan
O = Oita, Japan

The second letter, "R", is a year code that indicates the year of manufacture. Canon increments this letter each year starting with A in 1986 and prior to that, A in 1960 without the leading factory code. Here is a table to make things simple:

A = 1986, 1960
B = 1987, 1961
C = 1988, 1962
D = 1989, 1963
E = 1990, 1964
F = 1991, 1965
G = 1992, 1966
H = 1993, 1967
I = 1994, 1968
J = 1995, 1969
K = 1996, 1970
L = 1997, 1972
M = 1998, 1973
N = 1999, 1974
O = 2000, 1975
P = 2001, 1976
Q = 2002, 1977
R = 2003, 1978
S = 2004, 1979
T = 2005, 1980
U = 2006, 1981
V = 2007, 1982
W = 2008, 1983
X = 2009, 1984
Y = 2010, 1985
Z = 2011, 1986

* assumption of continuation being made for future years.

The first two numbers, "09", is the month number the lens was manufactured in. Month 02 is February, month 11 = November. The leading zero of the month code is sometimes omitted.

The next two numbers, "02", are meaningless in determining how old a Canon lens is. This is a Canon internal code (that is occasionally omitted).

You now know the manufacture date for your lens - But - You cannot know how long the lens was in inventory, in shipping transit and on a shelf until it was originally purchased (without having the original receipt or a reputable person accurately informing you).

The Canon lens date code in the sample picture indicates that this Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8 L Lens (I know because I took the picture - not from the date code) was made in Utsunomiya, Japan in September 2003.

The 17-40 seems to have much more consistent quality but no F2.8
The good copies of the 16-35 from shots around the net are outstanding but just make sure you do some solid looking at the lens you will buy before parting with cash.
The 10-22 is an excellent lens giving excellent results if you dont need the 2.8.

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:43 pm

Thanks Darren,
I know about the manufacturing codes. I'm looking for a UT08 and higher or ideally an UU 16-35. I'll do some testing on the lens and if it fails to impress, I'll return it or send it to CPS...

Quoting Dehowie (Reply 13):
The 10-22 is an excellent lens giving excellent results if you dont need the 2.8.

Yes, that's what I've read/seen of it as well. I just don't want to get an EF-S as I'm planning on using the lens on my Eos film bodies.

Giovanni
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:47 pm

Ever thought of the 14mm 2.8F L prime? I bought it some 4 weeks ago - only thing I can say is: Awesome! Dont have any pics sofar on A.net as I am not uploading right now ... , but believe me .... , its really a cracker ...

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:55 pm

Quoting Rotate (Reply 15):
I am not uploading right now

Robin how long have you banned yourself for ?
Looking forward to seeing you back uploading.
If you want a cracker of a lens i think the 17-40 L f4 is one of the best out there.
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 16):
Robin how long have you banned yourself for ?

I think I will stop at least for a month or so ... , I want to find the fun again, shooting for me rather than for A.net. Things have changed the recent months, with me taking rejects personally and so I decided to bann myself for some time ... Hope to get the best out of it again: I am going to be in MUC, NCE and FRA the next weeks, so plenty of chances there.

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:08 am

Thanks all for the suggestions.

Robin, the 14mm would be nice, but I like the versatility of a zoom. It's also a lot more expensive. But I'd love to see some of your 14mm shots here on A.net.  Smile

Giovanni
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:25 am

EF 10-22mm is a great lens!

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RE: Wide Angle Lenses

Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:58 pm

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 3):
Anyone here who actually uses/used the 16-35?

I have one, and it's by far the best short lens I've used. I've never experienced soft pictures other than a handfull out of focus ones where the camera grabs something else. The lens does have a tendancy to wrap a little bit on the outer edges of the frame (almost a fisheye effect), but it's not really that big of a deal unless you completely fill the frame at 16mm. I've also dropped my lens onto a concrete curb, and the jammed the filter on--but it's still giving me sharp images. I use it on a Mk2n.

I've used a 17-40 as well, though I need the constant 2.8. If you want some samples, send me a message with your e-mail. I'll reply with some pix.

I'm looking into that 14 f/2.8 as well.

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