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Canon Lens Questions ... Help Needed!

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:41 am

Hi all,

yes, its another thread from me asking for help  Wink

As some of you may know, I am currently in the process of upgrading my Camera. I've decided on the Canon 300D after quite a long time searching and considering different factors etc... I should selling my FZ5 soon, and hopefully will have the new Camera pretty soon!

but that's only half the story...

I am having quite a bit of trouble on the lens selection side of it. I know the 18-55 lens which will come with the Camera will be good quality, but for Aviation Photography I know that you do need a longer zoom. Now, I would be quite happy with something equivalent to 8x Optical zoom (about 300mm yeah?), and feel I would get by with that.

So I've been looking at 75-300mm Canon Lenses.

Now I will say at this point my budget for the lens is restricted to about £110. I know that good quality = megabucks, but I have been given some information about a few lenses for £100.

First One is Canon 75-300 EF III. I've been reading some threads on Airliners.net about this lens, and it seems that the feedback is that it is average? Though at the moment it seems the most financially viable.
I was wondering what your feedback on this lens is?

The problem I face is that if I can't afford to get my hands on a lens which will take better Photos than my current FZ5, is there much point? After all, there is only so much I can do with a 18-55 lens.

Sorry about going on and on and on...

I hope someone can be of some help, and I know these threads get quite monotonous, but I am trying to get as much information as I can, and information from People using theit cameras for the same things as me is very valuable.

So, any views? What other lenses would be a good idea to consider?

phew. (until next time  Wink )

Cosmic
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting Cosmic (Thread starter):
if I can't afford to get my hands on a lens which will take better Photos than my current FZ5, is there much point?

Personally, I don't think so. I think the 70-300 with IS is about £369.

There are some superb SLR style digital point and shoot cameras now. Might be better off getting one of those to be honest if you can't afford the lens. Either that or some companies like warehouse express offer interest free credit over 6 or 9 months.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:52 am

Hi Cosmic, I would try to pick up a second hand EF 75-300mm III USM if you need to stick tightly to your budget. Otherwise you might want to save a bit extra and either but a brand new one(you may be able to get close to £110 if you look hard enough).

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Colin  Smile
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:04 am

I'd also go for a used lens if I were on such a tight budget. A used 75-300 USM in pretty good condition shouldn't set you back more than about 100 Euros.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:10 am

Hi 9VSPO,

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 1):
Personally, I don't think so. I think the 70-300 with IS is about £369.

Phew, the 300Ds are going for that lol. BUT, I've seen these lenses in action, and there results, and they are clearly worth every penny. Just not at the moment unfortunately for me, thought there is always a chance of an upgrade in the future.

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 1):
There are some superb SLR style digital point and shoot cameras now. Might be better off getting one of those to be honest if you can't afford the lens. Either that or some companies like warehouse express offer interest free credit over 6 or 9 months.

I would be a bit sceptical about going for a SLR style point and shoot myself, just because I've used my FZ5 for a year, and really want to get my hands on a DSLR, (not being funny or ignorant). What is a good idea for me though is your second point, spreading the cost over a period of time. A very good idea, and I will look into that. Thanks!

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 2):
Hi Cosmic, I would try to pick up a second hand EF 75-300mm III USM if you need to stick tightly to your budget. Otherwise you might want to save a bit extra and either but a brand new one(you may be able to get close to £110 if you look hard enough).

Hi Colin,

Is the 'EF 75-300mm III USM' the one I mentioned originally? I don't think it is with the addition of the USM, what is that exactly?

Quoting Staffan (Reply 3):
I'd also go for a used lens if I were on such a tight budget. A used 75-300 USM in pretty good condition shouldn't set you back more than about 100 Euros.

Hi Staffan,

Thanks for this help. The USM model is different to the one I originally stated isn't it?

Thanks for the help guys. This information is really valued!

I know it is frustrating with some restrictions, but if I bugger up my choice of lens I'm going to be left with something I'm not happy with, thats why I'm going to make the right choice Big grin

I can still get Airliners.net shots with my FZ5, (got 2 accepted yesterday), but I have been awfully frustrated lately with my Cameras AF and the zoom toggle!

Thanks,
Cosmic
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 4):
The USM model is different to the one I originally stated isn't it?

Yes there is a 75-300 III without USM that is a little cheaper. USM is the type of focusing motor the lens uses, optically I think they are pretty similar. So if the price is right on either of them you shouldn't be disappointed.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:54 am

Hi Staffan.

Thanks for that info, I've just been checking some prices, and found out I've been looking at the USM model anyway! Of-course its what the 'Ultrasonic' means on the lens, hence 'Ultrasonic motor'. Should be about the right price aswell.

Thanks for the help.  Smile

Does anyone have any Photos on here taken with this lens?

Thanks,
Cosmic
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:14 am



The EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM is currently £369 on warehouse express. They might do interest free on it, I don't know to be honest but I wouldn't get anything less than that if you are serious about upgrading what you have.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 7):
The EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM is currently £369 on warehouse express. They might do interest free on it, I don't know to be honest but I wouldn't get anything less than that if you are serious about upgrading what you have.

Are you aware of his age? £370 for a 13-15 year old is a lot of money, and I doubt any retailer will offer financing to someone that age. A non IS 75-300 serve most more than well and if he gets a used one he won't have lost much (if any) money they day he dicides to sell it in favor for something better.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:53 am

Quoting Staffan (Reply 8):
Are you aware of his age?

No, but because of his budget that's why I suggested a DSLR style point and shoot. My advice is, he shouldn't be buying a DSLR at all if he can't afford the lens he wants!

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:58 am

There's a world of a difference between shooting with a point and shoot and an SLR that allows you to add to yor kit as you go along which makes more sense in the long run.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 9):
My advice is, he shouldn't be buying a DSLR at all if he can't afford the lens he wants!

Who said he wants an IS lens? He asked about the non IS one. I want a 300/2.8 IS, should I get a point & shoot until I can afford one?
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting Staffan (Reply 10):
There's a world of a difference between shooting with a point and shoot and an SLR

Especially if you can't afford it!
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:04 am

Why not go for the Sigma version it is a bit cheaper.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 12):
Especially if you can't afford it!

Read his post again, he is on a budget and is getting a 300d with kit lens and an additional lens for £110. Who says he can't affor that? You are the one bringing more expensive lenses into the discussion.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting Staffan (Reply 14):
You are the one bringing more expensive lenses into the discussion.

Because unless you want to spend more money you can get just as good results with a point and shoot, with the right camera!
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 15):
Because unless you want to spend more money you can get just as good results with a point and shoot, with the right camera!

Results will probably be about the same with a good P&S and a 300d with a cheap lens, but it's ten times (at least) more enjoyable to shoot with an SLR. What if you want to shoot portraits with a short DOF, how easy is it to set focus on the eyes with a P&S compared with manual focus on an SLR? Picture quality isn't everything.

Plus the fact that when more money comes in, upgrades for an SLR system are cheaper than having to sell a P&S and buying a newer one. Resell values for P&S aren't good... at all..

May I ask what lens you use since the 70-300 IS is the only one good enough for a 13-15 year old?
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Staffan (Reply 16):
May I ask what lens you use

100-400IS but that's not the point! A point and shoot for a 15 year old is more than enough to start out. There are some excellent one's out there. I was using a Sony F717 point and shoot when I was 34! And most of my pics in the database are with that!

All I'm saying is if he cant afford a decent lens then go for a decent point and shoot.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 17):
A point and shoot for a 15 year old is more than enough to start out.

He already has a P&S and wants to upgrade, why not get an SLR? He says he can afford it.

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 17):
There are some excellent one's out there.

Sure there are but I doubt few of them will give more bang for the buck than a 300d with a 75-300.
 
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Staffan (Reply 18):
Sure there are but I doubt few of them will give more bang for the buck than a 300d with a 75-300

Ok you win. Big grin

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:57 am

AirbusA346, I have considered the Sigma's at times yes.  Smile

Both of you, 9VSPO and Staffan put forward your arguments well. I'd just like to clear up that I do currently have a P&S that I got last May. It's the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5 with 12x Optical Zoom, IS and 5 Mega Pixels. It has served me really well, with 35 (and hopefully more) Photos in the Gallery so far, but I am just finding a few things frustrating with it, and feel that I have shown that I am going to take my Photography seriously enough over the last year to warrant a DSLR.

Staffan, your advice has been really useful, and indeed I can upgrade at the later date to an IS model if needs be. Thanks for your help!

I will keep you all updated on this situation and if would like to add some more, please feel free. I value your input.

Thanks,
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 6):
Does anyone have any Photos on here taken with this lens?

Most of my uploads since last December were shot with the 75-300mm III USM mounted on a 350D. Here are a couple of examples:

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I got the lens as a cheap stop-gap until the day I can afford a better lens. It has its limitations -- it gets soft wide open and at full zoom -- but it does the business. This lens on an SLR is still a big improvement on my old point-and-shoot.

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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:15 pm

Hi,

Great shots Charles, I especially like the Alitalia one. Thanks for your help. Big grin
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:06 am

Hi All,

Having a few second thoughts about the Canon 75-300 USM Mk3 after reading some awful reviews online. Whats to be said about the Sigma lenses?

I'm currently looking at

SIGMA 70-300mm F4-5.6 DG MACRO
SIGMA 70-300mm F4-5.6 APO DG MACRO

What do these lenses perform like?

Thanks, any help greatly recieved.
Cosmic
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:18 am

Hi Ryan,

You could try something like a Tamron 28-300 XR DI. I have one which I bought with the 300D. To be fair I don't use it a great deal now I have the IS lens, but for all its critics, it's a nice lens for the money and you would get some cracking shots with it. The other thing is to try second-hand. I was looking at a Sigma 50-500 a few months back and saw one that had hardly been used for £200 less than the list price (still couldn't afford it though  )

Regards,

Tim.

Edit: slight pricing error  Wink

[Edited 2006-04-10 02:44:30]
Obviously missing something....
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:25 am

Hi Tim,

Nice hearing from you. The lens will be mounted on a 300D here aswell.

I've sold my current Camera (and decided on a new one), and I am currently in the process of searching for a lens to suit my needs (proving difficult). Just looking at the Sigma's at the moment, but I am grateful of you to throw another lens into the equation, because I can now go off and look into this too. I'm also trying second hand aswell, there is some great deals to be had at times!

Like a 75-300 USM IS went on ebay for £175 I think it was not long ago!  Wow!

Thanks for the help!
Cosmic
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:42 pm

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 23):
SIGMA 70-300mm F4-5.6 APO DG MACRO

My pictures in the database from June 05 to March have been shot using this lens and a 300D. In reviews it came out head and shoulders above the comparably priced Canon lens. Like most in the class it does suffer from softness at the top end. Autofocus can also be a bit slow (I have since read this does happen on "macro" lens). It's good value for money and a good lens to start with.

I now have a 100-300EX and although haven't been able to get out to the airport much, I do have a couple of flying pictures taken with it in my profile  Smile

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:20 pm

Andrew,

How are you enjoying your EX 100-300? Its a cracking piece of glass

Cheers

Ben
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting Willo (Reply 26):
My pictures in the database from June 05 to March have been shot using this lens and a 300D. In reviews it came out head and shoulders above the comparably priced Canon lens. Like most in the class it does suffer from softness at the top end. Autofocus can also be a bit slow (I have since read this does happen on "macro" lens). It's good value for money and a good lens to start with.

I now have a 100-300EX and although haven't been able to get out to the airport much, I do have a couple of flying pictures taken with it in my profile

Thanks for this information. I have taken a look at your Photos during that date, and they are very good, clearly this lens is able. Now I just have to decide between the Tamron and Sigma it seems... Big grin


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Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:21 am

Hi all, thanks for the help so far.

I'm torn between the Canon D60 and 300D. Which one would be a better buy?

I've read reviews and got user opinions on them, but there doesn't seem much between them.

What do you think? D60 or 300D?

Thanks,
Cosmic  Smile
 
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:32 am

The 300D, isn't it a newer camera?
 
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting JayDavis (Reply 30):
The 300D, isn't it a newer camera?

I've seen a good deal on eBay on a D60 with quite a nice kit... was just wondering...  Smile

Another question, what is this about the shutter failing? I've just been reading some threads and found this:

Quoting Ckw from a thread in 2004:
However, these cameras are over 2 years old, and the shutter is rated at 30K actuations. Many of the used examples will have exceeded that (doesn't mean the shutter is about to fail ... but it might). I would think that a new 300D would run cheaper than the cost of a D30/D60 plus a shutter replacement within, say 12 months.

Is this going to be an issue it if I was going to get a used D60? The last thing I want is it to fail as soon as I get it. Anybody got any ideas, is it that much of an issue?

Thanks,
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Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:19 pm

Cosmic,

I really think the D60 must be close to having a dead shutter, I cantr speak for the individual body but when were they released, 2002 or so?

I still use my D30 and its still a great body, as is the D60 but how my D30 shutter keeps going I will never know, I fear one day she will just give up the ghost, really if you can buy as newer body as possible

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Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:36 pm

Hi Ben,

Yeah, I'm glad ive read up on this issue.

This one I'm looking at is 18 months old, if that helps?

Also, can anything be done about a dead shutter?

Thanks.

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Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 33):
This one I'm looking at is 18 months old, if that helps?

The 10D was discontinued 18 months ago, the D60 was discontinued when the 10D was introduced which was 18 months earlier. So I doubt there are any D60's that are less than 3 years old.
But age has little to do with shutter ware. If it's not heavily used there isn't much to worry about. That being said, the shutter on my 10D was replaced after about 8000 shots..
I'd take a D60 over a 300D if the price was the same.
 
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Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 24):
You could try something like a Tamron 28-300 XR DI.

I'm actually using a Canon 300D + Tamron 28-300 XR DI.
For what it costs it is very satisfying. Obviously it will be soft at the far end, but for the money you spend it's still good in my eyes. I bought a new one last year may for 300� so that's not too bad.


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Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:46 am

Quoting Staffan (Reply 34):
The 10D was discontinued 18 months ago, the D60 was discontinued when the 10D was introduced which was 18 months earlier. So I doubt there are any D60's that are less than 3 years old.
But age has little to do with shutter ware. If it's not heavily used there isn't much to worry about. That being said, the shutter on my 10D was replaced after about 8000 shots..
I'd take a D60 over a 300D if the price was the same.

Yeah he got it 2 years ago I've found out, the D60 I'm looking at comes with a lot of accessories, but as it's on ebay, I wont get my hopes up!

Quoting Flyingzacko (Reply 35):
Sebastian

I've been looking at your Photos, very nice shots  Smile

Thanks for the help everyone,
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