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Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:45 pm

Ok... so here's the deal. I had two photos rejected for noa_jagged yesterday. On neither could I see jaggies. I showed them to two other known photographers on this website and both agreed they could not see any. They both suggested I appeal. I did so, and this morning I got the email saying they were both re-rejected for the same reason. I was surprised. Seeing how 3 ppl (including myself) all could not find the jaggies, I thought I had a good chance of them getting accepted through the appeal. Guess not. In an attempt to find the jaggies and fix them in my re-edits, I replied asking, "Can you tell me where they are jagged? Are your monitors properly calibrated (meant as a joke)?" I got this reply:

"Justin

Jaggies clear to see.

Screeners don't have the time to respond to ignorant questions. Our monitors are properly calibrated. Maybe it's yours thats out of sync..........or your eyes.

Regards"

I left the name out for respect of that person. Tell me now, how hard would it have been to tell me were the jaggies where rather than insulting me? I was very ticked to read this. I feel that screeners should not be insulting someone who, like most of us, spends hour and hours and years devoted to the success of this site. Without us devoted photographers, Airliners.net would not be what it is today. I considered to stop uploading after this rude comment from this screener because I feel my hard work is no longer appreciated on this site. We'll see.

-Justin
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
Are your monitors properly calibrated (meant as a joke)?"

...is not funny... Think about it...
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:50 pm

... but you won't show the picture?
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting IL76 (Reply 1):
...is not funny... Think about it...

It's not a joke to laugh at... it's an obvious joke that we all know is a joke because everyone knows that a screener's monitor better be calibrated, or how else are they going to fairly screen (as if they do anyway!). But common IL76, do you agree with this guys reply? You think thats the way Airliners.net's life force, all the photographers that upload to this website, should be treated? I don't and frankly I think I deserve an apology from this screener.
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting Edoca (Reply 2):
... but you won't show the picture?

No beacuse I am done with those pics. If I posted them, this thread would turn into a debate over the photos and that is not the point of this thread. The point of this thread is to discuss this screener's comments towards me.
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
Tell me now, how hard would it have been to tell me were the jaggies where rather than insulting me? I was very ticked to read this. I feel that screeners should not be insulting someone

Ermm, am I missing something? Where is the insult?
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 3):
it's an obvious joke that we all know is a joke because everyone knows that a screener's monitor better be calibrated, or how else are they going to fairly screen (as if they do anyway!).

First of all, you question our monitors with no indication that it is a joke (it sure didn't sound like it) and now you say "as if they do anyway!" about our screening, another unfriendly way to tell the screeners off.
Show the rejections please. It's not the first time you had jagged rejections, now is it?
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:04 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 4):
If I posted them, this thread would turn into a debate over the photos

But someone might tell you where the jaggies are. I thought you wanted to know that?
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:08 pm

Quoting IL76 (Reply 6):
"as if they do anyway!" about our screening, another unfriendly way to tell the screeners off.

I've felt for a long time now this damn site it way too harsh and all the hard work isn't much worth all the B.S. all of us photographers have to put up with. I have had jagged rejections before but not ones I felt so strongly about. Also, it's not like I have 30-40 photos on here and I'm complaining. I have over 1000 shots on here and this shit is happening to me. I will NOT show the rejections as I said earlier, this is not a thread requesting help or opinions on rejections. I have my opinions. If I post them, this screener's comments will be no longer be the subject and people will only argue over my photos. If I wanted help with the photos any longer, I would've posted, "Please help me on these photos!
But I didn't. I went to the screeners who screened it for this help and they told me off. So whatever. This thread is to discuss this screener's comments, not the photos.

-Justin
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:12 pm

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 5):
Ermm, am I missing something? Where is the insult?

If I had to guess, it's maybe the fact the he was being called ignorant?

Now when you wrote to the screener, Justin, and asked about the monitors' calibration, did you include the part about it being meant as a joke? I don't think it's funny either way, and I think the Hscreener overreacted with the response, but I think you are too.

Let's just sit back and chill. I need a cup of coffee before a.net is going down the drain due to all photogs turning their backs... (meant as a joke - if it's not funny, please bear in mind that I just woke up, and checking a.net was my first activity of the day, even pre-caffeine.)
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
On neither could I see jaggies



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 8):
I will NOT show the rejections

Well then, to quote Shakespeare, I think that you "protest too much".

Others may disagree, that's fine with me.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:37 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 8):
all the hard work isn't much worth all the B.S

What hard work? Editing?
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:43 pm

Justin

Yes, you know it was me and I will tell everyone it was me too so no hiding.

If you had kindly asked where the jaggies were without the ignorant calibration comment you will find that an answer would have been forthcoming.

Screeners always take time to reply to well constructed e-mails.

Joking or not, there was no need for your comment just like there was no need for mine.

Justin, this forum is for discussing photography so If you do not want to let us see the images that were rejected I suggest this thread move to site related which you can discuss screener comments.

Regards

Gary

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:21 pm

Then please move this to site related so we may continue this discussions without the need of photos.
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:29 pm

Hi Justin,
How are you? (A part from the jaggies that is).
I've been keeping an eye on this thread along with Ian's (the other guy you may at MAN). Whilst I can perhaps understand your frustration at the E mail you received from the screening team, I think it's perhaps it's something you could deal with better via IM's or E-mail. Therefore not entering into what seems to have become a slanging match.
For us to be able to comment fairly on the response you received, maybe you could post a copy of the E mail you sent the screeners. That way no comments can be made about the actual photos, but a balanced opinion on the response from Granite.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:29 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Thread starter):
Tell me now, how hard would it have been to tell me were the jaggies where rather than insulting me? I was very ticked to read this. I feel that screeners should not be insulting someone who, like most of us, spends hour and hours and years devoted to the success of this site. Without us devoted photographers, Airliners.net would not be what it is today. I considered to stop uploading after this rude comment from this screener because I feel my hard work is no longer appreciated on this site. We'll see.

Will the time come when we don't have to be subject to these threads anymore?  banghead 

Quoting Edoca (Reply 2):
but you won't show the picture?

Of course not.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 3):
It's not a joke to laugh at... it's an obvious joke that we all know is a joke because everyone knows that a screener's monitor better be calibrated

Whatever the case that comment was not needed when you asked for them point out the jaggies, simple as that.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 8):
I've felt for a long time now this damn site it way too harsh and all the hard work isn't much worth all the B.S. all of us photographers have to put up with. I have had jagged rejections before but not ones I felt so strongly about. Also, it's not like I have 30-40 photos on here and I'm complaining. I have over 1000 shots on here and this shit is happening to me. I will NOT show the rejections as I said earlier, this is not a thread requesting help or opinions on rejections. I have my opinions. If I post them, this screener's comments will be no longer be the subject and people will only argue over my photos. If I wanted help with the photos any longer, I would've posted, "Please help me on these photos!
But I didn't. I went to the screeners who screened it for this help and they told me off. So whatever. This thread is to discuss this screener's comments, not the photos.

Well the fact remains your comment was misconstrued, which should not have even been there to begin with, if this is a mis-understanding let's cut this out because this thread is going nowhere.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
What hard work? Editing?

by the way I'm finding it a bit hard putting some pics over here...I cannot imagine what other rules will come into a.net to make it harder guys  Wink!

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:36 pm

This appears to be a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other because I see where the comment was coming from regarding monitor calibration but its hard to get sarcasm across via text and so when it came to the screener (Gary) reading it, busy screening it would have appeard as an unnecessary comment and slightly rude.

I see your point in not posting the image as you dont see that as the point but seeing as this is partly self inflicted by the comment you made to the screener I dont see the need to start a thread on it, if you post your image here and ask for help people will provide it but surely this is a private matter?

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:38 pm

Justin, I have to be honest here and say what a waste of 10 minutes reading this thread. Show the pictures so we can see where the jaggeds are.
If you're having some kind of argument with Gary, I seriously doubt any of us want to be part of it. I know I don't. In australia, we have a saying that describes your "joke". I'm sure you heard of it. It's "Smart ass". Anything said over the internet can be twisted and misinterpreted based purely on what was typed.
Just put up the pictures and we'll all scrutinize them.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Granite (Reply 12):
Joking or not, there was no need for your comment just like there was no need for mine.

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Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 14):
I think it's perhaps it's something you could deal with better via IM's or E-mail.

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Cheers

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 18):
Just put up the pictures and we'll all scrutinize them.

That is exactly the reason I don't want to put the photos on here so they will not become the subject of this thread.

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 18):
If you're having some kind of argument with Gary, I seriously doubt any of us want to be part of it. I know I don't.

Then why the hell are you taking time to read this then? I made this thread because I know several other photographers who feel the same way I do and have a strong discontent towards these screeners. I was looking for more feedback from photographers rather than any other nobody on this forum.

Quoting Granite (Reply 12):
Joking or not, there was no need for your comment just like there was no need for mine.

So should I take this as an apology? Because this sounds like its as close as I'm going to get to one.

Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
What hard work? Editing?

Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this shit.

-Justin
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):

Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this shit.

Surely you do all that for yourself and uploading to a.net is on top of that? If you feel that x number of acceptances makes your time and money spent on photography gear and travelling worthwhile then you need to re-evaluate why you're doing this
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:12 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos

If you do all this just for A.net, I think you need to re-calibrate your attitude to photography.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:13 pm

Great minds, and all that eh Viv  Wink
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this s***.

Well, everyone is free to go to their local airport only, but you do make it sounds like hard, unpleasant work. Are you forgetting that this is your hobby (taking photos and looking at planes, that is), which you are supposed to ENJOY, and uploading to a.net is "only" an added bonus that makes it even sweeter from time to time?
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:18 pm

Quoting LGW (Reply 21):
Surely you do all that for yourself and uploading to a.net is on top of that? If you feel that x number of acceptances makes your time and money spent on photography gear and travelling worthwhile then you need to re-evaluate why you're doing this

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Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Then why the hell are you taking time to read this then? I was looking for more feedback from photographers rather than any other nobody on this forum.

So you're calling Goran a nobody... Tact is not your strongest point, now is it? And you probably still wonder why people treat you the way they do? Better take a good look in the mirror first. I think you just smashed your own windows...
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting Granite (Reply 12):
Justin

Yes, you know it was me and I will tell everyone it was me too so no hiding.

If you had kindly asked where the jaggies were without the ignorant calibration comment you will find that an answer would have been forthcoming.

Screeners always take time to reply to well constructed e-mails.

Joking or not, there was no need for your comment just like there was no need for mine.

Justin, this forum is for discussing photography so If you do not want to let us see the images that were rejected I suggest this thread move to site related which you can discuss screener comments.

Regards

Gary

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting IL76 (Reply 25):
Better take a good look in the mirror first. I think you just smashed your own windows...

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
I made this thread because I know several other photographers who feel the same way I do and have a strong discontent towards these screeners.

So this has little to do with the jaggies but is about a bunch of you being dissatisfied with the screening team. As has been said before, and will now doubt be said again, other aviation picture sites are available.
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:23 pm

You brought this on yourself and I don't understand the point of this thread either. If you have issues with any of us deal with them privately.

And hard work? Think about the time the screeners put in every day, and then this shit Wink

And yes that is a joke. If you didn't mean your comment to be one, just realize that humor on the web can be easily misinterpreted.

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
than any other nobody on this forum.

So everyone except the screeners is a nobody? Good luck in the forums

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
So should I take this as an apology?

Did you apologize for your statement?

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos,

You aren't forced to to so, are you?
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
I was looking for more feedback from photographers rather than any other nobody on this forum.

Maybe, as others have said, you could perhaps start with taking a close look at your attitude first.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
I know several other photographers who feel the same way I do and have a strong discontent towards these screeners

Upload somewhere else then!

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
So should I take this as an apology? Because this sounds like its as close as I'm going to get to one.

I would like to see your E mail as well. Maybe an apology is due from you too. But, we won't know unless you post that E mail.

After all is said and done, you had some pics rejected. As I said to Ian, live with it.

Quoting IL76 (Reply 25):
Tact is not your strongest point, now is it?

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:31 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 8):
I've felt for a long time now this damn site it way too harsh and all the hard work isn't much worth all the B.S. all of us photographers have to put up with.



Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this shit.

You make it sound like you are going through hell or something. Well, nobody is making you upload all your shots. Heck, nobody is even forcing you to go out and grab your shots in the first place...

Most people on this site watch and photograph planes because it is what they like to do. If I would find as much fun in my hobby as you describe it, I'd quit...
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this shit.

I usually consider that fun not work. Well, excluding the shit part, that's usually all business  Wink

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:35 pm

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
Yes, time and money devoted to traveling, sitting on the end of a runway for hours on end, coming home spending hours on end editing hundreds of photos, and then this shit.

Try going out taking photos of aircraft for the fun of it, and not for the sake of getting photos onto this site. You make it sound that the latter is your reason for going through this. If you can't enjoy it, maybe find another hobby? Homing pigeons are great I've heard.  Wink
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting Edoca (Reply 2):
... but you won't show the picture?

Yeah, really!

This thread is a waste of time unless we can see the photo in question. I have had less-than-satisfactory customer service experiences with this site, so I can understand your point of view. However, your email might have come across as inflammatory rather than funny, especially (if) it was sent to someone who's first language may not be English. They probably didn't get "the joke".


Quoting Granite (Reply 12):
Screeners always take time to reply to well constructed e-mails.

Or they just don't reply at all.  Wink Come on now, this is a bit of an overstatement IMO

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
That is exactly the reason I don't want to put the photos on here so they will not become the subject of this thread.

But they *are* the subject of this thread.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Staffan (Reply 34):
Homing pigeons are great I've heard.

No, not really! You get just as much sh*t with them and you can't clean it up with photoshop!  Wink
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 10:49 pm

From what have seen, I sense a bruised ego. Justin, you say you have 1000 photos on this database and now you got a rejection. Did you expect to get the photo accepted without question? It's amazing what screeners pick up on an otherwise flawless photo.
Personally, I think your attitude to Gary was completely uncalled for. I can personally say from experience that he goes out of his way to help someone who politely asks for it. One of my first photos I have on the database was rejected and after 3 months of trying to get a photo on here, I asked him for help on how to fix it. No, he didn't tell me how to fix it. He told me to email him the photo and he would have a go at processing it to see how it looked and then he proceeded to tell me what he did to get it looking the way it did so I could apply his workflow to the photos I took with my particular camera. I bought a better one now, nevertheless, that is an example of what he will do if asked politely and respectfully. Set aside the ego for a minute and accept the fact that you need to re process your photo and then try to upload it again. I've got a photo in the Q now and I've had mixed feedback from people because there are slight jaggies on the leading edge. But hey, it's mixed feedback and some screeners said to leave it in and see what happens. If it doesnt get accepted, it doesnt matter. It has a spot in my webshots program and will be used for wallpaper sometime and most likely will be printed on photo paper and framed for my own collection.
Just chill out, relax a bit, have a beer or something and come back with a slightly better attitude towards your peers and the people who say yay or nay to your photos.
By the way...your "nobody" statement directed towards me...forget about it. water off a ducks back as far as I'm concerned.

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:11 pm

I saw the photos in question and my screen did not show any jaggies... and my screen is pretty darn well calibrated.

It'd be nice to have the photo posted and then let the screeners call out the jaggies. Cause I sure as hell didnt see them.. and i've got a fairly good eye for those kind of things.

Thanks,
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:22 pm

Ok, I found the photo. Carefully studying it, I would have to agree with Gary. There seems to be a few JAGGIES in there.

Can you find them?  Wink



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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:24 pm

Is that the photo in question Mike?

Those jaggies are easy to spot, and I'm on my CRT monitor
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:39 pm

This damn thread isn't even so much as worth it now as I see I'm not getting a bit of the support I sought after but...

Quoting Viv (Reply 22):
If you do all this just for A.net, I think you need to re-calibrate your attitude to photography.



Quoting LGW (Reply 21):
Surely you do all that for yourself and uploading to a.net is on top of that?

I do shoot for myself and travel for myself however I edit for A.net and Jetphotos. If I were simply shooting for myself, I would spend much less time editing and quickly give each photo a quick pass before printing them out and storing them in a photo album of sorts. I spend a lot longer scrutinizing over each and ever photo to get the shots up to the level required for A.net.

Quoting IL76 (Reply 25):
So you're calling Goran a nobody... Tact is not your strongest point, now is it?

That comment was not directed at Goran. That comment was directed at all these forum members who know nothing about photography but feel they have a justified response.

Quoting GVerbeeck (Reply 32):
You make it sound like you are going through hell or something.

It sometimes feels like hell when I spend so long working on photos just to upload them with high hopes and just to have them rejected and have all the time I spent editing be wasted. Then when I ask for help concerning the rejection, my question is referred to as ignorant.

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 35):
Or they just don't reply at all. Come on now, this is a bit of an overstatement IMO

This is very true. This is the other reason I was ticked off. I have replied several times to screener's rejections and I never heard anything back. Now I hear something and it's "Screeners do not have time for ignorant questions!" Thanks a lot for your help.

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 37):
Justin, you say you have 1000 photos on this database and now you got a rejection. Did you expect to get the photo accepted without question?

Absolutely not. I have suffered from more rejections since my 1000th got on than I have probably ever got since I started uploading mainly due to working on shots that include difficult angles and lighting.

Quoting CallMeCapt (Reply 37):
Personally, I think your attitude to Gary was completely uncalled for.

I think his calling my question ignorant was uncalled for.

If my mentioning of monitor calibration on the email is looked upon as unnecessary, I apologize. It was certainly not my intention. However, I believe his immediate response of calling my search for help, ignorant was unnecessary as well.

I just assumed us photographers were given a higher level of respect. I have worked in customer service before and I always treated people as, "The customer is always right." This policy is obviously not present on this website. I may not have been right with the rejection but I do feel I was deserved a bit of help as to where the jaggies were.

-Justin

I have now apoligized and I would still like to hear one as well towards me but I have also requested this thread be deleted as I have seen how pointless it is becoming and lack of need for such. This was a mistake. I will re-edit the photos and resubmit them with time. Thanks for you all that took the time to care. Till then, later.

[Edited 2006-04-20 16:56:52]
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 41):
I think his calling my question ignorant was uncalled for.

If my mentioning of monitor calibration on the email is looked upon as unnecessary, I apologize. It was certainly not my intention. However, I believe his immediate response of calling my search for help, ignorant was unnecessary as well.

Ok, ITNHO (= in this nobody's humble opinion) this can be interpreted as a truce.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 41):
requested this thread be deleted

Good idea.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
I was looking for more feedback from photographers rather than any other nobody on this forum.

That will get you really far... Grow a thicker skin and don't be a cry baby. You can't get any support without showing the pics. We don't know if they had jaggies, how are we supposed to be on your side  Confused

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[Edited 2006-04-20 17:53:34]
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 41):
directed at all these forum members who know nothing about photography but feel they have a justified response

So you - as 16-20 year old - relatively new to photography, dare to call all the screeners and photographers who are doing this since before you've even been born nobodies?  banghead 

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 41):
Then when I ask for help concerning the rejection, my question is referred to as ignorant.

Just in case you didn't notice... for seeking help regarding a rejection, you gotta post the photos. There is no seeking for help in this thread without the photos.

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 41):
"The customer is always right." This policy is obviously not present on this website.

Yea, in Sweden, the strongest elk is always right...  cheerful 

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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 41):
That comment was directed at all these forum members who know nothing about photography but feel they have a justified response.

Some of these forum members may not upload many on this site nor exclusively photograph aircraft.They're main interest may well lay elsewhere.
They may also feel that would like to comment on attitudes rather than specific photos.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting DLX737200 (Reply 20):
I was looking for more feedback from photographers rather than any other nobody on this forum

What sort of feedback were you looking for? Other photographers who want to slag off the screeners along with you?

You clearly do not want any advice concerning the photos in question as you will not post them.

Grow up.

Looking at the names who have posted in this thread you have got some of the most accomplished photographers on this site commenting.

This thread is mere screener bashing.

Why won't you show the photos so we can all judge who is in the wrong here?

This whole thing started because you made a derogatory comment towards the screening team, you did not ask for any help or assistance you simply felt that you were right and the screeners were wrong.

This thread has nothing to do with your photographs it is to do with the fact that you dislike the screening policies/screnners here on Anet.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting Fly747 (Reply 43):
That will get you really far... Grow a thicker skin and don't be a cry baby

Who's crying? I realized my actions and rightly apologized for such.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 44):
So you - as 16-20 year old - relatively new to photography,

I may not be as experienced as some in this hobby but I surely know what I am doing.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 44):
dare to call all the screeners and photographers who are doing this since before you've even been born nobodies?

If you would've read my earlier replies, you would've read that I was not directing that comment at photographers. That comment was directed at know-it-alls on this forum who have no experience in photography but feel they have the right to give advice on such.

Quoting UA935 (Reply 46):
Grow up.

If you hadn't noticed, I apologized. If that isn't the grown up thing to do, what is? Continuing to argue this pointless subject after I officially ended it isn't very grown up.

End of Discussion Please.

-Justin
 
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Dlx737200 (Reply 47):
If you would've read my earlier replies

You can be sure I did do so.

Quoting Dlx737200 (Reply 47):
I was not directing that comment at photographers. That comment was directed at know-it-alls on this forum who have no experience in photography but feel they have the right to give advice on such.

Who are the "know it alls" with no experience you refer to?!?
You've got replies of 4,5 (.5 = Peter) different screeners in your thread, which isn't self-evident and you know that. Pretty much every other photographer is contributing to the site regularly, so I can't see these people.

Feel free to correct me though.
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RE: Headscreeners Just Called Me Out

Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting INNflight (Reply 48):
Who are the "know it alls" with no experience you refer to?!?

Well at least I'm not the only one wondering that  Wink
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