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Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:58 am

I know it has been said in here before, but panning is difficult. Practice I am sure makes perfect.

Here is my latest attempt, not good enough for here, but I thought the prop contrails were pretty cool.



Pete

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Psyops (Thread starter):
Here is my latest attempt, not good enough for here, but I thought the prop contrails were pretty cool.

Why do you think it's not good enough for here? Did it get rejected? I think it's a terrific shot!
 
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting OlegShv (Reply 1):
I think it's a terrific shot!

Amen!
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:44 am

I think the nose is a bit soft, and dark.

Too bad, 'cause I was up at 0445 to get out the airport for sunrise...

Pete

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:59 am

Panning shots are both hard to master, and hard to have accepted. As a screener, I love being hard on my own panning shots. I often get home and I am either glad with the results, or I fail miserably.

I think there are a couple of keys to getting a high success rate with panning:

1. Know your minimum shutter speed and shoot shutter priority
2. Take into account aperture at the low shutter speed - thankfully in well lit conditions, aperture will usually be at the sweet spot of the lens (e.g. f11+).
3. Know whether lens image stabilisation will improve photo or not. Some stabilisation modes fight against panning.
4. Know which focusing modes work well with panning. Does continual focusing work well or not?
5. Shoot multiple continual shots as you pan not moving your hand from the shutter button. This can often allow you to concentrate on a smooth pan, rather than knocking the camera body each time you depress the shutter.

I'll share two of my hardest pans ever. The challenge was twofold:
a) Nearly no light, so both shots were 1600 ISO
b) Shutter speed was very, very low - between 1/10 and 1/30 (I would recommend not using less than 1/60)
c) Because of low light, the aperture used was wide open and hence on this old lens of mine, quite soft.

I was quite happy with the results for 2+ years ago. I'd state however that both were borderline for A.net years back, but neither would be accepted today. Thankfully improved lenses and camera body would ensure these shots would be MUCH better quality if I took them today.


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The Hawaiian shot was the first arrival into Sydney. It's an airline we would not normally be able to shoot in Sydney because of night arrivals.
The second shot was the most difficult ever. Of the 9 shots I panned with, only 1 worked and it was marginal at best. With the 30D and its excellent low noise ISO and 5fps shooting, I know that this shot would be MUCH easier if taken today.


Both shots were without sunlight
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:33 pm

I agree that these shots are very difficult to get to a standard high enough to get through screening. I am very grateful to the screeners for enabling these 2 shots below to become part of my portfolio here (both at 1/40th, the lowest I would dare to go without fancy IS), and they illustrate one further bit of advice I would offer:

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I think one of the reasons these were okay was that the aircraft was directly perpendicular to my position when the shutter went. When the aircraft is off at an angle to you (as in Pete's example - very good effort - and Glenn's Hawaiian), I think it is even harder to freeze the motion across the whole length of the aircraft - often one part will be okay (depending on your point of focus), but somewhere like the nose or tail will be very slightly blurred.

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:19 pm

I remember when I did this one, I was on my way to pack my camera but a fellow A.net photographer told me that we should wait for the EK flight.


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It was quite difficult since I was standing on an unstable rock to avoid the fence. The nose is a little blurry but the overall result is very much to my liking.

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:25 pm

Wow, I really like the effect of these photos.
Everytime I see them I look to them for a long time.

http://www.eham.nu/files/planes/23-04-06/SvH-CON-B764-NXXXX.jpg

That was my first attempt one week ago. The weather was poor and I couldn't get the results with regular shots so I tried something different (Just to practise without spoiling oppertunities with better circumstances).
Shot was taken with 1/60th exposure and aperture F18.
Shot isns't cropped either, it didn't fit on my lens at 70mm, so next time I have to take a little step back for planes this size  Smile

Pete, your shot is wonderfull and I think it should be in the DB.

Keep them comming,

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:25 pm

Can't believe Javier's name hasn't popped up in this thread yet... Big grin


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:08 pm

Nice thread. I think most of us can only dram of Javier's panning-abilities!!!

Anyhow, IMHO a good IS-lens (when set to the correct mode) helps quite a lot when panning. I cannot say anything for Sigma's and Nikon's OS, but with Canon's IS set to mode 2 (on the 100-400L IS that is) you can achive good results even at 1/20th, as Javier's photo as well as the following exapmle show:


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 8):
Can't believe Javier's name hasn't popped up in this thread yet...

We're all so jealous thats what it is! Cracking shots from everyone.

As for the Jazz shot, I really like it. Get it in the que. Perhaps a little bit of selective lighting around the nose

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:25 pm

I've had limited success with handheld panning shots. What's involved in getting workable shots pretty much boils down to setting the camera to continuous drive and firing away! If you take a series of 10+ sequential shots of an approach/departure, you're much more likely to have one that's workable.


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:04 pm

Nice photo Pete anyway and one of the best liveries on a Dash for sure..

Good luck next time and I bet you'll meet the standards to fit in A.net  Wink

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:20 pm

Nice thread.

I always like to extend my spotting sessions,when some light is still available, for photography and especially panning. The results can be really cool, especially with some kind of background (buildings, lights, etc...). Gabriel shot of the Emirates 777-300 in SYD is to me the as good as it can get when you push the limits of your camera gear. Well done!

I haven't done much panning recently, I think my best effort must be that one, at 1/20s:


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:02 pm

Quoting Psyops (Thread starter):
not good enough for here

I do not see why, it is a very nice shot.

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
hard to have accepted.

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Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
there are a couple of keys

A couple of five?!  Big grin

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
(I would recommend not using less than 1/60)

Sissy!

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
these shots would be MUCH better quality if I took them today.

Allow me to doubt it.

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
neither would be accepted today

Which is a pity  Sad

Quoting QantasA332 (Reply 11):
What's involved in getting workable shots pretty much boils down to setting the camera to continuous drive and firing away! If you take a series of 10+ sequential shots of an approach/departure, you're much more likely to have one that's workable

That is a half truth; sometimes by doing that you are making it actually more difficult for yourself, because your viewfinder will be obscured for most of the time making it hard to follow the plane's motion.

Quoting AGD (Reply 13):
especially with some kind of background

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Quoting Linco22 (Reply 10):
We're all so jealous thats what it is!

I do not think so.

Nice shots everyone!

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:35 pm

I've found it tremendously hard, but very rewarding when you do get good results:


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Mon May 01, 2006 1:03 am

man this is turning into a "plug your panning shots thread"  Wink either way i thought the shot was awesome but apparently i was a tad off.
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Mon May 01, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 16):
man this is turning into a "plug your panning shots thread" Wink either way i thought the shot was awesome but apparently i was a tad off.

Took the words out of my mouth. Great shot!!

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Mon May 01, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 16):
man this is turning into a "plug your panning shots thread" either way i thought the shot was awesome but apparently i was a tad off.

Hehe, thats hard to do with only a few shots in the DB, an no one that I could post in this thread what is related!!

I will popup this thread again when I have one that I could plug alright  Wink!!

Anyway, I understand that people post their panning shots here.. They should be proud of it!
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Mon May 01, 2006 6:46 am

Panning shots are always a good test of oneself and equipment. Yes this is a plug but i just wanted to point out that panning does not just have to be limited to Airlines. GA can look pretty cool as well  Smile


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Tue May 02, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 8):
Can't believe Javier's name hasn't popped up in this thread yet..

LOL I was going to say the same thing. And two of the examples you've posted are in my backyard in Sydney.

Quoting Javibi (Reply 14):
Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 4):
(I would recommend not using less than 1/60)

Sissy!

Sorry... disclaimer: Not recommended for those starting out.
You're well practiced Javier and I can't see you going above 1/60th :P

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Tue May 02, 2006 11:20 pm

I see that all panningshots are basically taken side-on. Although difficult to get right (it's never 100% sharp), non-sideon pans are cool to try too...

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Tue May 02, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting IL76 (Reply 21):
Although difficult to get right (it's never 100% sharp), non-sideon pans are cool to try too...

Low light and wide open aperture really (and obviously so) lead to DOF (Depth of Field) issues. We must be thankful for low noise ISO on some DSLR's and excellent IS technology.



But Eduard, you're shots a great example of how to do it.
Btw, finally uploaded some more AMS shots. Would you believe it's been 1 1/2 years since I was in AMS

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Tue May 02, 2006 11:27 pm

Cracking shot, Eduard!!!!
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Wed May 03, 2006 12:23 am

Count yourselves lucky that affordable DSLR's are becoming more the norm these days, where any blurry shot from an imperfect pan can just be deleted. Try doing that in the days of film......real hard, on one's pocket-book that is. I'd considered myself lucky if I got more than 3 useable images from a roll of 36.


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Wed May 03, 2006 4:21 am

Nice shots Gordon! Lots of respect for your old shots!

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Wed May 03, 2006 4:38 am

mm Panning... Here are a few attempts from me  Smile

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Wed May 03, 2006 4:43 am

My one and only panning shot on the database... quite pleased with the way it came out in the end... the biggest pain was trying to decide how to level the image!


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Wed May 03, 2006 4:56 am

Oh and here is my contribution of a panning shot...


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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Thu May 04, 2006 2:20 am

Had my first attempts at panning last night at SOU - messed around between 1/60 and 1/40 from around 7 till post sunset - on most of the shots the nose was slightly sharp while the back of the fuselage was pretty sharp so will have to tighten up on my technique a little and also make sure my footing is better and make sure I'm more square on to the aircraft.

Kaz,out of interest,when did you take those shots and did you get any trouble from the security people?

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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Thu May 04, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Donder10 (Reply 29):
Kaz,out of interest,when did you take those shots and did you get any trouble from the security people?

Saturday evening I snapped them  Smile No Security problem either, Ithey they grab you on the T2 roof all you do is go to the floor below  Wink
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Thu May 04, 2006 5:51 am

Aah you mean panning? Didn't know you can do this with aircraft so I won't bless you all with self-plugs.
The only panning I'm good at  Wink :



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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Thu May 04, 2006 7:42 am

Nice subject ,Florian.


Thanks for that Kazz,might give that a try next time I'm home!
 
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RE: Panning Is Hard...

Thu May 04, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 31):
The only panning I'm good at Wink

I miss those "granny" bikes. Was that shot in Netherlands or Austria?
Great subject - I'd be following that as well  Smile

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