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ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Tue May 16, 2006 8:44 pm

The major airshow in Berlin, the ILA 2006 ( http://www.ila2006.com ) qualifies for Priority Screening. This show qualifies along with Paris and Farnborough.

If you are submitting images from the show, be sure to tick the Priority box. If you want your images to be linked to the banner on the front page, ensure you use the text "ILA 2006" (without the quotes) in the remark field.

Many thanks, or Vielen Dank!

TZ

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Tue May 16, 2006 9:00 pm

Don't forget the Dubai show in that list.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Tue May 16, 2006 10:48 pm

and Asian Aerospace??? Big grin

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Tue May 16, 2006 11:18 pm

And Aire06? It's probably the spanish bigges air festival ever! www.aire06.es The most important aerobatic teams will be flying there in June!
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Tue May 16, 2006 11:42 pm

Not sure about Asian Aerospace that will have to be discussed.

No priority screening for Aire06.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Wed May 17, 2006 1:16 am

My mistake. Tim is correct - Paris, Farnborough, Dubai and ILA are long-established as our major "priority" events.

These are the major civil shows, and while there are other events which attract greater crowds (eg Albuquerque Balloon Fiesta) or greater participation (eg Fairford), we have decided to keep the list to these few major events. If we open up to other criteria, then we'll wind up with a "priority" event every weekend, and no regular shots will ever get screened!

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Wed May 17, 2006 1:32 am

Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Wed May 17, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting TZ (Reply 5):
Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?


No

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Wed May 17, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 7):
the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?


No

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Wed May 17, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 6):
Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?

Why should it?

We've had that FAT aircraft on TLS, LBG, FRA, SIN, SYD, DXB.... that list probably goes on.

No need for priority, LHR will just be another airport to the list.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Wed May 17, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 7):
Quoting TZ (Reply 5):
Will the first visit of the A380 to the UK on Thursday class as a priority for screening purposes?


No

Tim

For the record, I did NOT ask that question. I know fully well that is does not qualify, unless it arrives at LHR in full Virgin Atlantic livery.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 3:35 pm

Okay, no priority screening for LHR. But still they get priority screening.


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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 5:19 pm

Quoting Karlok (Reply 11):
Okay, no priority screening for LHR. But still they get priority screening.

Actually, I don't see a problem with this. The event was unquestionably newsworthy; there was ample coverage in the UK so there was plenty of interest. Where are people going to go for the best pictures? A.net.

If nowhere regional airlines from butthole, Ohio can get priority and a banner, then I think the visit of the world's largest commercial aircraft to the country that is one of it's key design and manufacturing contributors is definitely worthy of the same treatment.

I wasn't there, and I wanted to see some nice shots, there were even a few people at work that were interested. I'm pleased I can see them.


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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 5:33 pm

On the forum yesterday we were told that the A380 at Heathrow was not priority, so like myself and probably many others we have submitted our photos in the normal way and will have to wait about 10 days for the results
I don't understand how this one slipped through the net
I have emailed the screeners but have had no reply yet

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 5:42 pm

Quoting TZ (Reply 10):
I know fully well that is does not qualify



Quoting Karlok (Reply 11):
Okay, no priority screening for LHR. But still they get priority screening.

Oh dear  banghead . I guess this will become ammunition to some.

I agree with James that the site may have unwittingly missed a trick here. Although I can understand the argument for not prioritising the first visit of the A380 to the UK according to the site rules (which then needed to be consistently enforced), the bottom line was that this was the number one news item nationally here yesterday, on TV and radio. The premier aviation photography website then not featuring this looks odd to the outside world not familiar with the in's and out's of A.net's complex rule structure. I also agree with James' point that many people will come first to A.net looking for timely photos of this event, and for them not to be featured is not in the interests of the site, never mind the individual photographers.

I know for a fact that a friend and fellow contributor captured a fantastic shot of the aircraft up here in the North West yesterday and had that been treated as a priority here it would have amassed a shed-load of hits - both for him and the site. It is stunning. Hopefully it will still do so if that particular shot is finally accepted. But now that 'action' is happening elsewhere on the net.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting Psych (Reply 14):
But now that 'action' is happening elsewhere on the net.

I agree with Paul here, a.net with all it's paradoxal rules is loosing the point and it's not the first time that interesting events and pics are seen 'elsewhere' on the net before here...
Why let slip one pic and not show the others aswell, frustration will sure be on some photog's mind present at the event.
It's simple accepted or not, but here again we see the yes and no and a.net slowly looses its number one place on the net.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 9):
Why should it?

We've had that FAT aircraft on TLS, LBG, FRA, SIN, SYD, DXB.... that list probably goes on.

Yes, but they all got priority screening, so why couldn't LHR?
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 7:34 pm

Just to set the record straight i uploaded my picture last night not knowing that Heathrow was not a priority event which surprised me to say the least,when i looked in the queue there were 24 photos in screening from yesterday which made me assume that it was only a matter of time before there were 20 or so pictures of it from Heathrow.The screener e mailed me last night and said he was unaware of the fact that Heathrow was not a priority event.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 7:36 pm

I know many people will probably disagree with this, and I certainly don't want to start another "queue is too long" argument, but here is my opinion.

Even if some (or even most) people don't mind waiting 14 days to have their pictures screened, the site itself has an interest in fast(er) screening. Exactly for situations like this. I think the site management should see that a system of priority screening with penalties for misuse (in the form of even rejecting a pic and/or adding another 14 days of waiting), and policies deciding which air shows are OK for priority and which ones aren't, is an (IMHO) overreaction to a problem that lies not with the photographers, but with the site's screening process. Surely if wait times were only a few hours or days (the "you'll hear from us within a week" on the upload confirmation page comes to mind), the need for priority screening would become almost non existent.

If there is one argument why short queues are somewhat important, it is to ensure that a.net doesn't miss out on newsworthy events and shows new quality shots as soon as possible. If this cannot be achieved naturally, then rules like we currently know them need to be devised, and such rules are never water-tight, as shown above, which in turn leads to frustration.

just my view...


PS. I don't want to hijack this thread, but I'm sure many people noticed that the queue length stays level at 13-14K already for a few weeks now. Just a few months ago it was at 7K and fairly constant as well for a while. The increase came suddenly and remained pretty much constant, so the usual "good weather/good season" arguments don't "fly". At a competing site, the queue is pretty constant as well, but at 400. They added 700 pics yesterday, a.net 800. Not so much difference... Just some facts to think about perhaps.
 
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting HARLEYF150 (Reply 17):
The screener e mailed me last night and said he was unaware of the fact that Heathrow was not a priority event.

Since Mike's shot then another two shots fropm LHR have been added so perhaps there was more than one screener that does not know?
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 8:19 pm

Human error led to the first LHR A380 image to be added.

Now the policy of no-priority is flawed, so all LHR A380 shots now have priority.

Sorry for confusing everybody. That is a tad embarassing.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 9:41 pm

Quoting TZ (Reply 20):
Now the policy of no-priority is flawed, so all LHR A380 shots now have priority.

So, do we have to tell you, or will you find them all?

[edit] Never mind, I can see that mine is currently in screening.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 10:52 pm

Interesting debate about what constitutes priority or not.
My belief is that the most newsworthy aviation event in the UK this year(at least until Farnborough) should have been given some priority before this whole situation flared up. The reasons have been fairly clearly highlighted in previous posts.
Should ILA2006 get priority, certainly within reasonable limits. Firstly I have spent some time just now looking at the recent posts from Berlin and am impressed both with the variety of aircraft and some of the photography. Having said that do we need dozens of photos of an aircraft, some almost identical, that by any other measure is very common with something like 149 photos in the DB? An aircraft that is going to be around for a very long time.
A photo of any other aircraft with anything like that number of entries would be subject to the most extreme quality standards. Is it too much to ask that the same be applied here?

Finally, Whilst I agree there should be a level of priority given to shows such as Farnborough, Paris, ILA, I have to wonder what the response might be when the same request is made of the most important Aerospace Exposition in the Southern Hemisphere next March?

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Fri May 19, 2006 11:32 pm

Hello crew,

I have uploaded 3 ILA pics Wednesday night & they're still marked as "not screened yet" although were in screening before. Could it be they got lost?

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sat May 20, 2006 12:30 am

OMG! When reading all this comments on here , it seems there is nothing more interesting/important than getting the pics as fast as possibel on A.net! Is it the ILA, the A380 at LHR some totally uninteresting OE-LPA at VIE or whatever - I really cant tell you how happy I am that am not like this anymore. I ve got allready such a big backlog now ... and you know what? I am enjoying it with looking at the pics at home! I am finally there where I wanted to be some 1 1/2 months ago, when I decided to stop uploading .... All this view hunting makes me really think what people are in this hobby .....

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sat May 20, 2006 2:04 am

It might be uninteresting to you Robin but it was headline news in the UK on all the major news channels. No airshow in the world will do that.

That will drive people who do not normally have a great interst in aircraft come on the web and search for images of that aircraft. If they can't find it at one site then they will just continue on to another. You must remember that it is just not photographers who view these images!

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sat May 20, 2006 2:23 am

Well put, Jid. Here in Germany private news channels provide several hours of live news coverage of the ILA, & I can still remember CNN's coverage of the last commerical Concorde flight with beautiful footage from New York & London.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sat May 20, 2006 2:39 am

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Will the crew be discussing/clarifying what qualifies for priority screening in the light of this event?

It was clear from the media coverage and the sheer volume of people at LHR yesterday that the A380 visit was something special. I can understand why the decision to not apply priority for the A380 at LHR was taken, but when an aviation event is the first item on every single news program on TV that day, the decision looks to have possibly been the wrong one.
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sat May 20, 2006 3:23 am

Steve

Yes the screeners will be discussing so there are no problems in the future.

I screened your A380 image. The best I have seen from LHR so far (my opinion only)  Smile

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sat May 20, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Rotate (Reply 24):
OMG! When reading all this comments on here , it seems there is nothing more interesting/important than getting the pics as fast as possibel on A.net! Is it the ILA, the A380 at LHR some totally uninteresting OE-LPA at VIE or whatever - I really cant tell you how happy I am that am not like this anymore. I ve got allready such a big backlog now ... and you know what? I am enjoying it with looking at the pics at home! I am finally there where I wanted to be some 1 1/2 months ago, when I decided to stop uploading .... All this view hunting makes me really think what people are in this hobby .....

cheerio

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As Jid said, it was headline news. Plus, if FRA and SYD had priority screening, why shouldn't LHR?
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sat May 20, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting Granite (Reply 28):
I screened your A380 image. The best I have seen from LHR so far (my opinion only)

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sun May 21, 2006 8:04 pm

One question.

How long does these ILA pics qualify for priority screening? Read somewhere till the end which would be tonight. Or can I submit them with priority tomorrow too?

Thanks.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sun May 21, 2006 8:13 pm

ILA is priority until midnight (berlin time) today. Everything submitted after that will have to be screened normally.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sun May 21, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 32):

Thanks for the info....a few hundred pics to go for me within the next 9,5 hours.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Sun May 21, 2006 10:06 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 32):
priority until midnight (berlin time) today

Bit harsh against those attending ILA today.
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 34):
Bit harsh against those attending ILA today

Buy a laptop, equipped with PS, w-lan and the deadline is no real dealine for you.....easy as 1-2-3 and who said that we wanted to see all 1000 pictures of a single photographer taken at the ILA on 5-21

I still have hundreds of Dubai images (Dubai 2005) on my harddrive. As time goes by, they will be online.

I like Robin's comment a lot......

Quoting Rotate (Reply 24):
OMG! When reading all this comments on here , it seems there is nothing more interesting/important than getting the pics as fast as possibel on A.net! Is it the ILA, the A380 at LHR some totally uninteresting OE-LPA at VIE or whatever - I really cant tell you how happy I am that am not like this anymore

There are so many things in life which is just a tad more important, than having your stuff online within no time!

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 33):
Thanks for the info....a few hundred pics to go for me within the next 9,5 hours.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting TS (Reply 36):
Are you serious?

Damn I hope not!
I am still curious as to why these events, covered by a large number of photographers get blanket priority. Certainly I understand the reasoning for certain newsworthy types, but really what is the justification for diverting screening resources from the normal queue to add dozens & dozens of photos of A319, KC135, CH53.. and the list goes on. Worthy additions to the DB for sure, but priority? Dubious!
I am probably also not alone in wondering why your list of "Priority" Airshows is so Eurocentric or why both ILA and Farnborough, weeks apart both need to be included.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 4:47 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 37):
I am probably also not alone in wondering why your list of "Priority" Airshows is so Eurocentric or why both ILA and Farnborough, weeks apart both need to be included.

Really Chris?

It's interest. People will want to see shots from those shows, and it's in the interest of the site that they see them here rather than elsewhere. Whether they need to see quite so many similar ones is another question, but how does airliners.net make that choice fairly?

The choice of shows for priority screening is a different issue and I'd agree that maybe some others should be included.


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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 4:56 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 37):
I am probably also not alone in wondering why your list of "Priority" Airshows is so Eurocentric or why both ILA and Farnborough, weeks apart both need to be included.

Perhaps a solution would be to include all Air SHOWS (ie trade shows) for potential priority and no Air DISPLAYS. There is potential for any air SHOW to have newsworthy items, air DISPLAYS, less so.
A subtle difference, but it would remove most of the ambiguity.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 5:21 pm

James,

Maybe I should have worded it differently regarding which shows are given priority. Perhaps it is important and of interest to many that all the European shows are covered but it is of equal interest to many others that other shows enjoy the privilege.
I will repeat.. I don't understand why Farnborough AND ILA must be covered when the decision makers here continually respond with a FIRM NO for shows such as Singapore and Avalon.
Newsworthy... lousy excuse, show me one single photo from ILA that is honestly new or unique, apart from the location.
Mick, I would support that suggestion, Trade Expositions, Priority- Airshows No Priority

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 5:55 pm

Not forgetting the Warbirds show down under too?

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=6861

Sorry not many airliners and we waited patiently. Quite a few puddle jumpers though.  smile 

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 6:03 pm

Can I get priority screening for my rejections?

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 7:18 pm

Quoting TS (Reply 36):
Are you serious?

Not really  Wink

Have to go through hundreds of pics and decide which to work on and probably upload. But now I'm almost finished only a few to go the normal way.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 8:45 pm

Hi all

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 35):
There are so many things in life which is just a tad more important, than having your stuff online within no time!

Yes, totally agree. I've still got many stuff to add but not got the time.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 8:51 pm

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 39):
Perhaps a solution would be to include all Air SHOWS (ie trade shows) for potential priority and no Air DISPLAYS.

A good suggestion, but there are simply too many air shows to consider all of them as priority. We have to find a balance between being topical with news-related material, and working through the queue for those who have waited patiently. Don't forget that every Priority pic screened means that your in-the-queue shot waits longer to get screened.

The only real solution for this conflict is for a shorter queue. The screeners are working like demons right now, screening thousands and thousands per day with the queue coming down gradually.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting TZ (Reply 45):
Don't forget that every Priority pic screened means that your in-the-queue shot waits longer to get screened.

Exactly my point.. 400+ priority photos from ILA and how many of them were actually newsworthy?

In this day of instant global communications and the cut throat and fast pace of business very little of any significance is brand new and unseen at these shows.. so if priority is not available for Singapore, Avalon etc how about no priority for Farnborough/Paris/Berlin/Dubai.
Dubai had an A380(oops nearly used the W word) in EK livery but big deal it had already been priority screened at Toulouse!
Reserve priority for truly unique and newsworthy incidents rather than blanket coverage of events that are not that remarkable.
Whilst I earlier agreed with Mick that there should perhaps be some consideration given to Trade shows over Air displays.. all the above mentioned events only ever receive coverage here of the display component. The truly newsworthy components of these shows are the "press releases" and displays inside the trade halls and chalets.

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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 46):
so if priority is not available for Singapore, Avalon etc how about no priority for Farnborough/Paris/Berlin/Dubai.



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 46):
Reserve priority for truly unique and newsworthy incidents rather than blanket coverage of events that are not that remarkable.

So you want priority as long as Australia gets it too? But if you don't, then no priority should be granted to anyone?

Personally I don't care tbh... the shots will get uploaded sooner or later anyway.
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Mon May 22, 2006 10:40 pm

Chris,
That wasn't really how I meant it, replace Avalon with Anchorage, Shanghai, Caracas (I know these places currently don't have major aerospace shows).

My preference would be as you quoted, reserve priority for unique and newsworthy events, Yes even at Avalon!!
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RE: ILA 2006 - Priority Screening

Tue May 23, 2006 3:33 pm

While we're at it... as soon as this discussion about whether or not ILA deserves priority started, my last ILA shots went into screening... they've been there for 48 hours (in other words before the deadline). Has priority for ILA been cancelled due to this?

Last time I had a "priority" shot in screening that long, it then got added along with the non-priority shots I uploaded the same day - approx. 10-14 days later. I took that to mean that a new airline which operates only a Piper Navajo doesn't deserve priority?
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