Karlok
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Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 4:08 am

This is the photo I am talking about.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...H-BFD_Boeing_747-406M_KLM_Asia.jpg

And here are some items it may could cause this rejection.

* Photos that include window reflections (for shots taken through glass such as terminal windows).

-- Ok, some flash reflections on the display. Need for rejection?

* Photos showing just a part of an aircraft (with no motivation for doing so, like a special sticker, damage etc.).

-- Yes, it's part of an aircraft. The Cockpit :-/

* Photos with distracting or obstructing objects in the foreground (this is especially true for gate shots which are very difficult to get accepted due to their common nature and the large amount of equipment which usually surrounds the aircraft).

-- obstructing object in the foreground? The Yokes on the foreground maybe????

* Photos that do not show an aircraft or anything sufficiently related to aviation at all.

-- Yes, it is an aircraft

* Photos showing the date in the lower left or right corner of the image (some cameras do this, please diable this feature)

-- No date visible.

Can someone tell me why this belongs to a motiv rejection? Or was it just a wrong selection of rejection reason.

Thanks,

Kar-lok
 
timdegroot
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 4:32 am

Reflections from the flash.

Tim
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 4:32 am

My eyes are drawn to the flash reflection on the display screens. I would say this is probably why it was rejected for motive.
-Matt
Tim beat me to it by 25 seconds.

[Edited 2006-05-16 21:33:19]
 
Karlok
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 1):
Reflections from the flash.

Thank you!

Kar-lok
 
timdegroot
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 4:52 am

Karlok, it looks like this was a nightshot, or inside a hangar or something. Shot like that usually don't benefit from a flash and come out better if shot without it.

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RE: Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 5:19 am

If you're using a add-on flash, I would put something to bounce this. For example on pretty-cheap Sigma flashes, there's a thingy which goes out and bounces. If you have that, I would use it.

I have this same problem, it sometimes works to have the camera enough facing down... Smile

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RE: Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 9:38 pm

You can also try flash compensation. Drop it by -2/3 EV. If the screens aren't on and there is little light in the cockpit, hand held shots without flash are fairly difficult.

One of the best ideas is to estimate the conditions before you go into the cockpit (if you have limited time), and to take several shots with varied settings. This way you can make the call on all of your shots as to which one would come out better after post processing.

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RE: Motiv Rejection

Wed May 17, 2006 11:12 pm

here is a tip, just use the bandaid tool in PS and the flash reflections will be non-existent.  Wink if you can do it for dust then i can't see why you can't do it for flash reflection?
 
Karlok
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 7):
here is a tip, just use the bandaid tool in PS and the flash reflections will be non-existent. Wink if you can do it for dust then i can't see why you can't do it for flash reflection?

That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Karlok (Reply 8):
That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?

Indeed.

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QANTAS077
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Karlok (Reply 8):
That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?

obviously it is because they know about the pic, if you did it in the first place you might have been successful?

if it can be done with minimul disturbance to the original image then is it acceptable? those flash reflections are on a par with the dust spots that we clone, i don't see the harm?
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Karlok (Reply 8):
That is one for a manipulation rejection I think?



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 9):
Indeed.

Tim

Sorry to get off topic...but this is a blatant double-standard. We are encouraged to clone out dust, but anything else is labelled as "manipulation"?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 11:13 am

question is, if it were a dust spot in the same location of the flash reflections it would be ok to clone them? i seriously don't know what the issue is with a few minor flash reflection clones from the LCD, it doesn't lessen the quality of the image in any way, just makes it a poofteenth more acceptable?
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting GlennStewart (Reply 6):
One of the best ideas is to estimate the conditions before you go into the cockpit

Even better if you measure the light separately.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 12):
poofteenth

....not showing up in the dictionary....  Smile
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 13):
....not showing up in the dictionary....

That's one of those strange west coast (Perth) words. It's also used the describe the amount of heat haze Perth experiences in winter.

Glenn
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 2:13 pm

Quoting Glennstewart (Reply 14):
That's one of those strange west coast (Perth) words.

it's actually a footy term to describe something so minute that it ridiculous, bit like the word itself, but it describes the situation perfectly.  Wink
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Thu May 18, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 15):
something so minute that it ridiculous

I can think of a couple of things that would earn the description then  Smile

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Karlok
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Sun May 21, 2006 7:53 pm

Received an another motive rejection today, could someone explain this to me? I see a lots of engines close-up in the database. This one shows a brand new and clean engine.

Please explain the differents to other engine photos in database?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...0_PH-AOD_Airbus_A330-203_KLM-2.jpg

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 4):
Karlok, it looks like this was a nightshot, or inside a hangar or something. Shot like that usually don't benefit from a flash and come out better if shot without it.

Yes, a hangar shot. Will try again later to produce a better shot

Regards,

Kar-lok
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Sun May 21, 2006 8:00 pm

Hey

Quoting Karlok (Reply 17):
Please explain the differents to other engine photos in database?

I Dont know? frown 

I would say that its overexposed on the engine cowling, leading edge of the wing and the winglet.

I personally really like that motive.

Michael

[Edited 2006-05-21 13:03:27]
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection

Sun May 21, 2006 8:29 pm

overexposed i'd say more then anything...

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