frippe
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Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 4:42 pm

Hello again everyone,

Now I need your pre-screen help:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/EICSF1276nefAfterNEW.jpg


1. The photo was framed like this in camera, but is it OK as Motive?

2. Is the fuselage too high in the frame?

3. Too Dark? I find it increasingly difficult to be sure of how my screen is compared to other people's concerning contrast and saturation etc.

4. How is it in the borderline between Soft and Oversharpened/Jagged?

5. Anything else I can do?

Thanks a lot in advance,
Frippe

[Edited 2006-05-21 09:43:34]
 
eadster
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 5:33 pm

Hey Frippe,

I don't know about the motive. Some shots like this get accepted others not so lucky. I think with this one, it should be ok as the titles are all visible.

Looks level too, doesn't seem too dark. As for sharpness/softness, I'm not on a good monitor so it's hard to say but does seem quite good.
 
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 5:47 pm

Hello again Frippe.

There is something very appealing about the saturated colours in this photo. For me the key issue is how screeners feel about this kind of motive - falling between a nose shot and a side on. This one is hard to judge.

I feel the significant factor on first viewing is that the image has a slightly dark feel to it - atmospheric, but possibly too much to get by the screeners. In some ways something of that mood might be lost if you increase the midtones, but this may reduce the likelihood of a dark problem. As is so often the case, I would like to see that titling very slightly sharper  wink .

Certainly it is a nice image.

Take good care.

Paul
 
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 6:38 pm

Very little to add to the above, but in case you do change the picture, I would also try to make it a little less dark and perhaps desaturate it slightly. Paul is right that the pic in its current state is appealing and atmospheric but it could work out just as well with the above changes. (Paul, I couldn't help thinking about a wine review, you surely know how to accurately phrase a photo review!)

I understand why you'd hesitate on soft/sharp, but overall, it seems good to me (caveat - frequent soft/sharp rejection experience!). Indeed slightly sharper titles would be great - but watch out for oversharpening - some of that is already visible on the left edge of the door.

Good luck with it!
 
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 7:04 pm

Hej Frippe,

Nice photo. The motive is not unacceptable in itself, but standards are raised for such shots I think.
In addition to what the others have said, I do think the a/c is a bit high in the frame - I would change that if possible.

Good luck,

Peter
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 7:16 pm

I like the motive of it. The crop to the right of the wheels, the rear of the engine and the inclusion of the whole of the Ryanair titling is, to my mind, perfect.
I do not think the centreing is bad either. Yes, the fuselage is a bit high, but I think we need consider the undercarriage in the equation too. Centreing on the fuselage would leave the image looking bottom-heavy.
I tried brightening it a touch and there is no doubt that it does not look so unusual or so effective.
Overall, my inclination would be to leave it as it is but it is one of those that could go either way with screeners.

Mick Bajcar
 
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 7:43 pm

I like the crop and it is an acceptable one here.


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Does look like it can be centered better.

It is backlit, looks like the sun was too high and to your left. Most of the fuselage may be too dark to get accepted, see what happens. Good Luck.
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frippe
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 7:59 pm

Thanks a lot to you all. Wonderful to receive so many suggestions.

But it also points to the difficulty how to center, either esthetically a bit high or mathematically right in the middle. I went for the first in the present edit.
Maybe this time I will leave it as it is and be prepared to learn from a possible rejedtion.

Frippe

PS
The photo was taken March 7th with snow on the ground and the sun facing the pilots not long before sunset.
 
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RE: Help- Prescreen Crop And Quality

Sun May 21, 2006 11:23 pm

I'm not suggesting you should center only the fuselage.
We should indeed consider the undercarriage and protruding starboard engine.
But because these items carry less 'volume' or 'weight' into the picture than the fuselage shape, the a/c should ideally end up slightly lower in the frame than in Frippe's crop in my opinion.

Not that I ever center mathematically, but that's how I feel about  Smile

Quoting Frippe (Reply 7):
PS
The photo was taken March 7th with snow on the ground and the sun facing the pilots not long before sunset.

Maybe you should include that information when uploading, as it might convince the screeners that the lightfall is natural.
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