pavvyben
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Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:52 am

Hello,

Im looking to buy a new camera body. Ive currently got the D50, but im finding it lacking in a few areas and its has a habit of misjudging the exposure. Im looking at getting a Nikon D200, D2Hs or a D2x. I prefer one of the first too as the D2x is a bit out of my price range, even though its a superb camera.

Any advice would help

Cheers

Ben
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:00 am

D200, I am getting one soon. Everyone I know that has it loves it and you can get one for more than half the price of the D2X.
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:00 am

I'd go for the D200, it has 10MP as opposed to the D2H which has 4.1. Have you considered the D70s? That's in between the D50 and D200. The only thing is, that as you have a D50 which takes SD cards, you're going to have to buy Compact Flash cards for any of these cameras.
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:14 am

D200! Its brilliant.
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viv
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:15 am

The D200 is a marvel.

But remember there are two things more important than the camera body: The lens in front of it and the person behind it.
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Pavvyben (Thread starter):
Ive currently got the D50, but im finding it lacking in a few areas and its has a habit of misjudging the exposure.

Not the camera's fault, your shinny d200 will only make a guess at the exposure just like the d50, or any other camera for that matter. When you press the shutter, you are just telling it you agree with what it choose.
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Wanderer (Reply 2):
That's in between the D50 and D200.

Are there too many differences between the D50 and the D70s?
And the D70 and the D70s?

Sorry for so many questions!!!!
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:10 am

Thanks for the reply guys

Ive got a decent lens - Nikon 70-200mm F2.8 VR. Im looking a new body not just for aviation but for anyone whos tried it, equestrian stuff  Smile. Im finding some of the features on a pro body would help me out quite a lot. A simple thing of the camera rotating a portrait image automatically instead of me having to troll through every image on the pc and changing it from portrait to landscape. The other issue im finding with the D50 is a lack of AF points, making it harder to lock onto a "target", even with this lens. It also struggles taking photos of horses going round corners (for some reason, this also being a lack of AF points for me to select it to focus on). The inability to fine tune different things like the white balance.

Jeff, i might be wrong in saying this but im sure Nikons high end bodys make more than a "guess" at the exposure. Indeed i agree with what is in the viewfinder, but for some reason looks different when it comes out. I think the problem is im trying to use an entry level DSLR (a good one) and finding that im hitting some limitations with it. Lets face it, this camera wasn't build to beat everything else by miles, but to encourage people to jump onto the DSLR band wagon. Im not saying just because i go and spend £3000 on a camera and stick it in auto its gonna give me every picture perfect, it isn't. Fact. The camera might have a good brain, but i think ive got a better one (i hope!)

Cheers guys and i welcome your comments  Wink

Ben
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Pavvyben (Reply 7):
Jeff, i might be wrong in saying this but im sure Nikons high end bodys make more than a "guess" at the exposure.

Nope. It is just a guess based on the percentages of light and dark within the area it is looking at. Just take your camera , put it in AV mode and set it to f8 and put the center point on the horizon and half press the shutter. Take note of the f-stop and shutter speed. Now move the camera up 5-10 degrees and see what it suggests now. A completely different shutter speed. Has the light falling on what ever is in your viewfinder changed? No, but the two images will be completely different. One will be darker then the other. Lower the camera 5-10 degrees and it will be different again.

Your camera is just averaging the light and darks based on some formula. Maybe it is right, maybe it isn't. The principle is the same on all cameras, though the degree of complexity in the formula may be different, but it is still just an average...
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 8):
Nope. It is just a guess based on the percentages of light and dark within the area it is looking at. Just take your camera , put it in AV mode and set it to f8 and put the center point on the horizon and half press the shutter. Take note of the f-stop and shutter speed. Now move the camera up 5-10 degrees and see what it suggests now. A completely different shutter speed. Has the light falling on what ever is in your viewfinder changed? No, but the two images will be completely different. One will be darker then the other. Lower the camera 5-10 degrees and it will be different again.

Your camera is just averaging the light and darks based on some formula. Maybe it is right, maybe it isn't. The principle is the same on all cameras, though the degree of complexity in the formula may be different, but it is still just an average...

I knew there was a reason I hadnt posted here in a while...... You keep nailing the answers and i'm left with nothing to say....  Yeah sure

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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Pavvyben (Reply 7):
Indeed i agree with what is in the viewfinder, but for some reason looks different when it comes out.

What you see in the viewfinder will be the same no matter what ISO, white balance, shutter speed and aperture you set. The pupil of your eye is constantly adjusting its size to give your optic nerve a good image. The camera will make no adjustments and will not set the parameters of the image (i.e. shutter speed and aperture) until you press the button to take the shot.

Neither will what you see in the viewfinder give you any indication of the depth of field you will get, unless you stop down the lens to the aperture you have set - there is a special button for that on most SLRs. Again, when you look through the viewfinder the lens is wide open. What you see is not what you get!

What happens when you press the button? The mirror flips up, the lens stops down to the set aperture, the shutter opens for the set time - and an image is captured. That image will be as good or bad as the camera settings but has nothing to do with what you saw in the viewfinder.

Regarding the D70, it is set up to under-expose (by about half a stop) to help beginners to avoid blowing out the highlights.
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:13 am

Hi Ben

Being a D2x owner I am slightly biased in my views but if I were you I would go for one if your budget stretches to it or if not the D200. In all the reports I have read it would seem that the D200 is a mini D2x in performance and handling (minus the battery pack). I think it will answer all your equestrian needs but what you will need to do is learn a bit about how to set the camera up. When I got my D2x at first I have got to say it was quite a confusing experience going from a D70. But after playing with it and buying a book (Magic Lantern Guide) I wasn't long in getting the hang of it.So going back to your original question and having a superb lens (AFS70-200VR) I would plump for either the D200 or at a push the D2x but the main thing is you are sticking to the Nikon system as most people I meet at my local airport are all Canon users. I suppose they make good printers though they have got to be good at something!
I hope this helps

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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:30 pm

I am aiming for an upgrade to the D200.

Is the Nikon D2xs replacing the D2x?

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0606/06060102nikond2xs.asp

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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:30 pm

Quoting Kereru (Reply 12):
Is the Nikon D2xs replacing the D2x?

Seems like it. Wonder what's in the pipeline next... Fullframe?

I've used the F100 / D100 / D70 / D2X and the exposure has always been very good. It tends to be a little "conservative" but it's easy enough to just push the exposure up 1/3. There's a lot of man-hours gone into programming the exposure evaluation, so it's hardly guesswork despite what some may say.
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:46 pm

D2Xs will replace the D2x

http://www.digicamnews.net/archives/2006/06/nikon_d2xs_digi.html

Most D2Xs features will be available for the D2X with a firmware update. D2X prices are currently dropping as the dealers want to clear their stocks so you might get a good deal and use the firmware update later.


Upcomming firmware updates:

http://robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-7895-8407


I have a D200 and I'm very happy (only the battery performance should be better).
However: 10mpix or more are quite a lot. Big files & lots of storage required !!! It's nice if you want to crop but if you don't print big and if you can fill the frame the D2HS might be very interesting.

Just read this:
http://www.imagepower.de/IMAGES/imgEQUIPMENT/D2Hs.htm

I'm seriously considering this camera as a second body as I don't get bigger than A3 and I love action & available light photography. And comming from slides I'm used to fill the frame.

I'm I crazy considering a 4mpix DSLR nowadays ????
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:55 pm

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 13):
Seems like it. Wonder what's in the pipeline next... Fullframe?

Need rumors ???  Wink

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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting Travelralf (Reply 14):
However: 10mpix or more are quite a lot. Big files & lots of storage required !!! It's nice if you want to crop but if you don't print big and if you can fill the frame the D2HS might be very interesting.

Storage is cheap already, and getting cheaper by the minute almost. I don't see this as an argument to stay away from highres cameras anymore.

Quoting TravelRalf (Reply 15):
Need rumors ???

His predictions certainly are plausible  Smile Realtime histograms.... I wonder how they will pull that one off!
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:49 pm

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 16):
His predictions certainly are plausible

Yes. The idea of a modular 35mm SLR is fascinating.

But I would like to see a DSLR with an airtight glass seal on the body (behind the contacts for the lens), so dust could never get onto the sensor when changing lenses. With high-quality optical glass it should be possible without much loss of image quality.

[Edited 2006-06-14 11:51:03]
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:52 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 17):
But I would like to a DSLR with an airtight glass seal on the body (behind the contacts for the lens), so dust could never get onto the sensor when changing lenses. With high-quality optical glass it should be possible without much loss of image quality.

You'd still have the same problem though. That element will still have to be cleaned, and subjected to the same risk as the aa filter on the sensor; i.e. scuffs and scratches...
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting Sulman (Reply 18):
You'd still have the same problem though

I know, but it might be easier to clean?
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 13):
There's a lot of man-hours gone into programming the exposure evaluation,

They can program all they want, but it is still just a fancy average. You move the camera, you change the exposure, the light stays the same.
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:00 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 20):
They can program all they want, but it is still just a fancy average. You move the camera, you change the exposure, the light stays the same.

Yep but it still manages to get within 1/3rd of "perfect" exposure most of the time, so it's by no means bad.
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:23 pm

You're right its not 'bad' but with manual, you do the fancy sums. And I usually add 2 and 2 and get 5.........  banghead 

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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:49 pm

Quoting Linco22 (Reply 22):
you do the fancy sums.

hum?
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:59 pm

.... sorry, I meant you set the exposure, you evaluate the light when you shoot manual.

You'd think I knew what I was talking about.......  Silly
 
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RE: Which Nikon Body

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 6):
Are there too many differences between the D50 and the D70s?
And the D70 and the D70s?

The D50 has different 'modes' and is aimed at the novice SLR user - people upgrading from compact cameras. It also takes SD (Secure Digital) cards as opposed to CF (Compact Flash cards), unlike most other DSLRs which take the CF cards. As for the D70/D70s I don't think there are that many differences between them except a larger display on the D70s and other minor differences.

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