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What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:38 pm

The widest I have is a 16mm Hologon (105 degree FOV). What are the excellent photographers on a.net using?

Thanks~md
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:52 pm

Not sure about excellent photogs, but I have used 18mm in a CRJ and worked just fine. It may depend on the aircraft as well, say it will probably differ if you are shooting a cockpit of an F-16 or an A380.

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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:56 pm

As short as possible! This one was at 18mm (29mm on my sensor):


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Shot it as a timed exposure with no flash, in order to not underexpose the ramp.

I would REALLY like to buy a Canon 10-22mm, but they're pretty expensive. Too much to spend for cool cockpit shots IMHO!

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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:06 pm

Hi Andrew-nice photo, very lucky of you to be able to set up a tripod and take that shot. I wonder what the nice folks at AA would say if I asked them to do that after a flight. The 16mm would work really well in a 777, an MD80 would be a stretch I think.
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:47 pm

Hi md,

this was shot with a 10-22mm at 10mm, a lens I bought especially for flightdecks:

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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:35 pm

Quoting AirSpare (Thread starter):
The widest I have is a 16mm Hologon (105 degree FOV)

I do not know what that is but, as AJ showed, you can get wonderful results (in some flightdecks) with 16 mm (10 mm on a 20D with a 1.6 crop factor).

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P.S: I love that shot, Anthony.
 
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:46 pm

I take my cockpit shots with either my 10.5mm:

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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:58 pm

I was meaning to ask on a separate thread,

If you put a 8mm circular fisheye on a 1D, theoretically you get 10.4mm (8mm x 1.3 crop) and a partial circular image.

That would make it the ultimate wideangle, would'nt it?

Any 1D users try this?
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting RG828 (Reply 7):
That would make it the ultimate wideangle, would'nt it?

not really :P Only if you like the distorted fisheye look.
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting RG828 (Reply 7):
That would make it the ultimate wideangle, would'nt it?

Try it on a 1Ds or a 5D - who needs a 1.3 crop...


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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting Javibi (Reply 5):
I do not know what that is but

It's a Zeiss design from about 1966, extremely well corrected for distortion. Interestingly, the Mars Rover NavCams lenses are a Biogon/Hologon modification. The Hologon was based on the Biogon, designed in the early 50s and made many a trip to the moon on Hassleblad cameras. An advantage of this design vs. a Distagon lens which is a reverse telephoto that allows room for the mirror box on an SLR is it's simpler and better corrected for distortion. (Neither the the Biogon or Hologon designs will fit on an SLR.) The rear element of the Hologon is only a few millimeters from the film plane. The disadvantage in the one I have it requires a center graduated neutral density center filter due to light fall off on the corners. Oh yea, like all quality lenses, they're expensive. They're discontinued (I bought one used), but new they were about the price of a D200. If I can ever get a flight deck photo (X Air force, I still call them cockpits out of habit) I'll post it if I can get it approved.

I'm going to attempt a trip report and will show what it can do there (after scanning, etc).

AJ, very nice photo, thank you for the input, I feel confident that the 16mm will work now. Your lens shows very little barrel distotion. Sweet

~md

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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:34 pm

I use 17-85mm lense, at 17mm, but IMO, the 27,2mm on my 20D are too narrow.

I'd like the 14mm Canon L lense - that would make my shooting easier - that's at least what I think.

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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 8):
not really :P Only if you like the distorted fisheye look.



Quoting INNflight (Reply 9):
Try it on a 1Ds or a 5D - who needs a 1.3 crop...

True, but you would get a circular image on a black rectangle, at least on a 1.3 crop you get some leeway for software defishing.

On a 1.6 crop sensor you would still get 12.8mm, which is rather formidable.
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:35 pm


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This was taken with a 10-22 at 10 MM. If you can take your flash and remove it from the camera and fire it at the ceiling in random spots, you can get the effect in the above picture.
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:20 pm

Paul, that's excellent. I am assuming it was shot on a tripod with the shutter set to B or aperture priority? How many seconds? ISO? The DOF is excellent, the lens is stopped down to ? I don't have a digital camera (yet), I sit in front of a computer all day and dread hours falling in love with PS.

Looking at the results with this lens, I can see why everyone likes it, barrel or pin cushion distortion? I don't see any (PS?).

Thanks for the tip.
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:47 am

That was shot F-8 AP, ISO 100. I just let the camera pick the shutter speed. Yes it was on a tripod.
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RE: What Focal Lenght Do You Use For Cockpit Photos?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:34 pm

Looks like the 10-22 (or equivalent) is THE lens for cockpit shots.


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