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Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:13 pm

No claim to originality for this - but is it any good for airliners.net? I'm not sure about the standards for this type of shots.
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/PH-BZMptr.jpg
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:17 pm

Hello Peter.

This is a difficult type of shot.

It's nice, but IMO, it needs a little C.W. rotation, and is a little grainy. I think it can be saved, but not as it is now.

The wings are in a heat-haze, but I can't see if it's only from the engines, or not.

I'm surprised how many cows are near the runway.  Smile

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:33 pm

Too much heathaze on this one Peter. It's hit and miss, sometimes you get lucky and the jetwash disperses away from the aircraft, sometimes it becomes engulfed in it. Usually is the fuselage is clean the shot will be ok.

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:13 pm

Thanks David and Tim, will pull it.
Tim and some other guys obviously spent many, many early morings there, and I suppose I'll have to try much harder if I'm ever to produce something remotely like these. Ough!   

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:29 pm

Thanks Peter Smile

Don't try to overdo it with too much zoom. That 747 you showed is one of the very few full 400mm shots that came out without any heathaze. Spectacular skies can make a shot as shown by Ed's example and you don't need more than 150-200mm for those.

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:44 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 4):
you don't need more than 150-200mm for those.

Sounds like a good tip, I can use a better lens then, too.

Do you recommend the elevated spot on the new bus viaduct?
It's something I should really find out myself, I know, but I can't seem to find where the bicycle path ends on the Hoofddorp side. Smile
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:52 pm

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
Do you recommend the elevated spot on the new bus viaduct?

You can try it, but over there you'll really need 400mm and heathaze/engine exhaust can be a real pain in the butt.

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
It's something I should really find out myself, I know, but I can't seem to find where the bicycle path ends on the Hoofddorp side

Just go on the specialbus lane for the Zuidtangent with your bike. If you're fast enough, no-one will notice Big grin
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:59 pm

OK, thanks Kas. On the viaduct itself there is a bicycle lane, right? Or at least some room to stand without getting crushed by the first bus?  biggrin 
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:03 pm

Yes there is... Just follow the bicycle path from the Hoofddorp railway station.
 
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:45 pm

I'm the only non-Dutch person that has been posting in this thread!  Wow!

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 8):
Or at least some room to stand without getting crushed by the first bus?

AFAIK there are no busses going over the viaduct yet? I don't know if it's open yet for the Zuidtangent (I've never seen them make use of it).

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I'm the only non-Dutch person that has been posting in this thread!

Good for you! Big grin
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 11):
Good for you!

Nope, bad for me.  Wink
 
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:52 am

Which runway are these shot on? I'm making a second trip to AMS shortly, and some pointers would be nice where to go if I manage to get up early enough?
 
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:11 am

Andy,

Rwy 06.
The spot closest to the runway lights is easy enough to find along the Hoofddorp-Aalsmeer main road (Kruisweg I believe), next to where it crosses the Amsterdam-The Hague highway (A4).
There are several gates and holes in the fence to shoot through.
If you have a car, park at McDonald's, across the highway.
Good luck!

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:39 pm

Ah, I think I know where that is, having had a good look on Google Earth. We'll be staying in the Bastion Hotel in Hoofddorp, so it won't be so far to walk, especially early in the morning.

What If 06 isn't in use first thing in the morning, which rwy is normally used?

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:55 pm

Chances are that 06 is used for landings and 36L for takeoffs, or the other way around, ie, 24 for take-offs and 18R for landings.

If 24 is in use you might shoot take-offs from the same spot, of course, although smaller aircraft will rotate too far away.
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:59 pm

With northerly/easterly winds 06 is always used in the early morning.

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:13 pm

Just out of interest, the buildings visible are from your WTC, aren't they?
Been there doing some photography after you dropped me off at the Schiphol Plaza Ed, got on the wrong train after that though  Wink

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:15 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 18):
Just out of interest, the buildings visible are from your WTC, aren't they?

Yes, I think so. WTC, the headoffice of ABN-AMRO and ING bank, it's all over there...
 
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:16 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 18):
Just out of interest, the buildings visible are from your WTC, aren't they?

I think so, yes  Smile
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 2):
It's hit and miss, sometimes you get lucky and the jetwash disperses away from the aircraft, sometimes it becomes engulfed in it.

Indeed, and you could also try some afternoon take-offs from there:


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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:16 pm

Erwin & others

Looking at the picture and comparing it with Google Earth, the road crossing infront of the runway is the N201 Kruisweg? Therefore to get that kind of elevation, are you standing on the slip road coming off the E19?

You have a number of runway liights prior to the road, but I cannot see where this elevation is from?

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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:23 pm

Quoting Thowman (Reply 22):
I cannot see where this elevation is from?



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 5):
the elevated spot on the new bus viaduct

Dunno if you can see that on Google Earth though..
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 23):
Dunno if you can see that on Google Earth though..

If it's new, then it's unlikely to be there. But I have an idea now, thanks.
 
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RE: Sunrise Shot

Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:31 am

I came across this cool one.

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Here, on the right, to the right of the telecom tower, the building with the spire is the Rembrandttoren, Amsterdam's tallest. It's a bit further back than the others which are along the south leg of the ring road, called the South Axis.
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